Questions:

Why choose death?
What is your life worth?
Is a cult worth dying for?
Is tribal loyalty worth dying for?

You wouldn't believe that doing the hokey pokey and jumping up and down would cure you of cancer, so why would you think eating horse paste will cure COVID?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/glenn-beck-says-he-has-covid-again-and-its-hit-his-lungs-but-hes-taking-ivermectin

Conservative talk radio host Glenn Beck has fallen sick with the coronavirus—again.

This time around, the former Fox News host turned conservative media mini-mogul said Wednesday afternoon, the illness has progressed into his lungs.

“I am great, Mark. I am great, Mark,” Beck told fellow right-wing radio star Mark Levin during his daily radio program. “Despite having COVID and seeing the destruction of our country,” he added.

“Do you have COVID right now?” Levin asked.

“Ya, I do,” Beck fired back, adding, “It’s [COVID-19] starting to go into my lungs today and a little disturbing. I’m on all the medications and treatments and everything else, so.”

“It’s all good,” Beck said while letting out a deep cough.

And most of what I type is rehab centers in Vegas. I do type patients on ivermection quite often shockingly. (typo on purpose) I wouldn't want to be treated with it, but I'd probably try it if my life depended on it MOST DAYS. Some days???? I had monoclonal antibodies when I got it back in August/September, but I am vaccinated and I got my booster a month ago. I assume I'll get it again no matter what. Never thought I'd get it in the first place.

I have several comorbidities including diabetes and rheumatoid arthritis, let alone I'm overweight. I'm losing weight right now as I go on Medicare next fall and don't want to pay for the meds. I never have to pay for meds now because of my "husband's" insurance.

I can say this much for Glen Beck. I happened to hear giving a play by play of a trip he made last summer and took his family through Yellowstone in the midst of the big surge of tourists. He was on his way to Montana and told his family they had to see Yellowstone as he was the only one who had. I laughed so hard!!

But I assume he might be depending on God to heal him, keep him alive. Me, I'll do what it takes except lose weight until I had to pay for my drugs!!

cl2, have you looked into the rules for Medicare? I don't have my notes at hand, but you don't necessarily need to go on at age 65. I am electing to wait. In my case, it's because my employer is large enough, and also because I pay far less for my employer-supplied health insurance than I would for Medicare plus a supplemental. Some fellow teachers have told me that is the reason that they've continued to work past age 65. In your case, I believe the rules would apply to your spouse's employer. It might be worth looking into.

https://www.medicare.gov/basics/get-started-with-medicare/medicare-basics/working-past-65

With respect to Medicare information, the best websites that I've looked at are the government websites, and also AARP.

Summer. You MUST sign up foir Part A of Medicare at age 65. If you do not, you will pay a penalty premium. You can defer Part B until you need it, due to no longer having coverage with an employer or from a spouse.

I pay $2.40 per month because I waited a year to sign up; I assumed (me being the ass in the equation) that since I was putting off collecting any money, I could also put off 'demanding' they protect my health.

My Hub didn't sign up until he was 70 and took SS. I am worried what it is going to cost us. He is still working and will as long as possible to keep insurance for me. This is one time when our age difference is a problem.

That's bizarre. I thought I understood it. I'll look into it again. Thanks.

Part A is the free part, right?

He turns 65 on April 1st (that should have been a clue--the date of his birth--joke was on me). So I will be going on Medicare. It gives me some freedom though. If he acts the way he was a month ago, I will divorce him and take half his pension. We have a deal going now which is why I don't divorce him as soon as I have Medicare.

cl2notloggedin Wrote:
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> I wouldn't want to
> be treated with it, but I'd probably try it if my
> life depended on it MOST DAYS.

I can relate to the desperation that may rear its head if the pearly gates seem to beckon and a person isn't wanting to go yet. But. I wouldn't (I think, I hope) give in to the degree that I would agree to consume preparations off-label in misguided attempts to treat myself in questionable ways.

I may feel the impulse to try anything, and I understand that in others, but hopefully reason prevails for most.

I hope the situation doesn't arise for you anyway, cl2. I think you've paid your dues and more besides. Time to enjoy relative health and contentment, if possible, if it's written in the stars, etc.



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I'm at a loss as to why certain people are so darn afraid of the Covid vaccine. The vaccine isn't new anymore. Are they equally wary of getting a tetanus shot, or any other routine immunization? It makes no sense.

Umbrellas!

Why do puny humans buy umbrellas?

elderolddog Wrote:
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> Why do puny humans buy umbrellas?

I've long wondered that. Why do you buy umbrellas?

To keep from getting wet!!   But then you take showers!!

I could understand it if you'd use the umbrellas in the shower, but NO!!!

No wonder my friends on other planets shake their heads, or at least one of them, when I tell them where I'm currently living...

Your wit, dear friend, makes me look forward to dementia!

Look forward to dementia?   Mine or yours?

If we're talking about you, how will we tell?

If we're talking about me, who would bother to tell?

Uh, I can't remember what this thread was about.

I have a new work-out routine!

I put a robe and slippers into a backpack, then I head out the door and walk as far as I can, but never on the same route.

Then when I get tired, take off my sensible shoes and put them into the backpack, after putting on the robe and slippers.

Then I walk/wander across a busy street and within three crossings, I've got a ride home!

Brand determines belief. It's all about not being caught wearing the other gang's colors. Silly when it comes to actual colors, and silly and potentially lethal when it comes to vaccines.

The number of doses administered is now in the billions. I have heard of zero hospital spokespersons telling residents not to get vaccinated because the side effects are clogging up the hospitals with patients. Side effects are either mild, or very rare and treatable.

Covid, OTOH......

Brother Of Jerry Wrote:
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> I have heard of zero hospital
> spokespersons telling residents not to get
> vaccinated because the side effects are clogging
> up the hospitals with patients.

Brilliant!

Plus: Side effects from vaccines, which occasionally occur, can most often be effectively dealt with. COVID infection, not so much in all too many people.



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summer Wrote:
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> I'm at a loss as to why certain people are so darn
> afraid of the Covid vaccine.

I tired out my brain trying to comprehend it myself. Finally, I see that in countless cases it's not fear of the vaccine but rather it's what the vaccines stand for, as interpreted by some influencers, that unfortunately, all too many people have bought into.

There is so much misinformation and misunderstanding about the COVID virus/variants and the vaccines. This is combined with the limited scientific or medical knowledge of many in the general public (which is to be expected - we're not all informed in every field, we tend to be generalists or specialists in just one or two areas). Add in a thick layer of unfortunate politicization. Plus there is a lot of noise arising from all the conflicting voices on the subject. Not to mention ongoing updates as more is learned about the virus, its variants and the contagion they cause. Many aren't keeping up with changing realities. The result is that many are not reliably informed, but once they've chosen their source of info they shut out incoming from other sources. If they end up listening to opinions from people untrained in science they switch off and don't hear or consider alternate conclusions or opinions from others more competent to dispense accurate information.

To those who don't place faith in TV or radio hosts or others untrained in medical science, it's ludicrous to accept their treatment suggestions for a medical condition. I don't even know why people with no medical training are permitted to carry on dispensing dangerous so-called advice about anything related to the treatment of disease.

It's a pandemic in and of itself. One that has certainly taken me by surprise. I don't know how we'll ever get back to everybody staying in their own lanes. I'm not a rocket scientist - would you hire me to take you to the moon? It's seriously unbelievable, yet here we are. To the great detriment of many who become infected with a virus for which there is a vaccine, some of whom die from it without getting a chance to learn from their mistake of discounting accurate medical advice.

It's hard to dig yourself out of a hole of your own making but I hope more people can manage it so we all have a chance to get back to some semblance of our previous "normal" lives. Even an entrenched idea can loosen up so a person can change their mind. That's what I want to scream to people - a decision you made last week, month, year can be revisited. As you listen more, learn more, have a good rethink, it's OK to change your mind.

I was recently very frustrated, having to wait 5 weeks to get an appointment for my 3rd dose. But, on the good side of that, it meant to me that a whole lot of people in my general area are motivated to go and get boosted, as recommended by medical science. So many that they were using up all the available clinic appointments. I can't complain about that. Well, I did at first, til I thought about it. Busy clinics are good news when it comes to the vax!



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Because this was made political and it became orthodoxy to reject it.

Yep. People taking pride in self-destruction. . .

I'm more afraid of COVID than the vaccination. And now that I've had COVID, I still know I can die from it. I'm glad I have the vaccination as even if I get it again, I feel I have a good chance of surviving it.

The First Presidency said to wear masks and get vaccinated 5 months ago (so...you know...the thinking has been done) but Beck is more allegiant, as is his bank account, to his tin foil hat audience and LIBERTEEE!!

I used to enjoy listening to Beck's show, but for every interesting thing he'd say, he'd leave out a basic fact that balanced or negated it. Plus, among his many books, he has two titled 'Dreamers and Deceivers' and 'Miracles and Massacres'; he mentions neither Joseph Smith nor the Mountain Meadows Massacre, which I think would be natural for books with those titles...

Sorry, I'm just in a pissy mood today.

Is Beck still Mor..err Latter-day Saint? That church does like to parade its celebrity members and I don't hear anything about him from them. But maybe I just don't pay attention.

I would be shocked if Glenn Beck doesn't think that mormon leadership has proven itself useless in that they have failed to consult with him on 'the way forward'.

I caught COVID before I got the Jab and it was just another cold but I’m in great shape. I still do triathlons. People need to take care of themselves better. If COVID doesn’t get you, diabetes and heart disease will. Guaranteed.

Glenn Beck is like Geraldo Rivera. They will whore any narrative or movement to make money.

Glenn was a rabid anti-Trumper but when he went off the main stream media and became the next Rush Limbaugh he puckered up to the MAGA base.

The guy likes money. Look at how he lives. He’s a media whore and nothing more.

It is disturbing considering Geraldo has long been the gold standard in trash journalism, self-promotion, and utter idiocy, but he's still got it together enough to understand why vaccination is a good call.

Beck, well, I guess not. Unsurprising because he's be a nutbag for many years now.

Nonsense. Beck is surely vaxed; he can't admit it lest he be abandoned by his base of rabid droolers. The top grifters know to protect themselves. Beck will "recover" and credit ivermectin for it, keeping the grift going.

Besides, Trump is a known germaphobe. He would never deliberately expose himself like that to an unvaxed, potentially infectious person. I'd bet good money that Beck showed Trump his vax card before the program to assure Trump that there was no real danger.

Sorry to burst the bubble, although I'd love to be proven wrong. But in the "good news" category, Rush Limbaugh is still dead.

Synonymous Wrote

"But in the "good news" category, Rush Limbaugh is still dead."

What a terrible thing to say. Would it be any worse if written.

But in the "good news" category, Larry King is still dead.
But in the "good news" category, Roger Mudd is still dead.
But in the "good news" category, Walter Mondale is still dead.
But in the "good news" category, Ed Asner is still dead.
But in the "good news" category, Colin Powell is still dead.
But in the "good news" category, Robert Dole is still dead.
But in the "good news" category, Harry Reid is still dead.
But in the "good news" category, George Floyd is still dead.
But in the "good news" category, Ruth Bader Ginsburg is still dead.

Pretty sure everyone who's died is still dead . . .


I hope your pearls can stand all the pressure.

Did somebody call me?

Actually, yes, it would be worse, because what I said is nothing like the **many and far more terrible things** Limbaugh said over *decades*. Not one of the individuals you listed caused even the slightest fraction of the damage Limbaugh caused to the national discourse and to the US in general.

https://www.exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,2361966

Synonymous,

Could you please enlighten me on the "**many and far more terrible things**" you are talking about?

Also information on " the damage Limbaugh caused to the national discourse and to the US in general" would be nice.

Thank you.

Answered before you asked. The link directly above provides examples.

If that's not sufficient for you, too bad. I'm not responsible for your education.

I'm through with this discussion.

You apparently missed the joke, Sammy. It's well enough known that it has its own wikipedia page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalissimo_Francisco_Franco_is_still_dead

Brother Of Jerry,

Thanks for the heads up, I did miss the Joke. That was back when SNL had a great cast and was still funny, I was young then and missed much of it.

Curious about being called Sammy? Shirley you can't be serious.

Nice....

have to add this as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTL4T_NVGhY

I knew about that music, anybody. EOD told me that decades ago while on a field trip to Berlin, he and Nurse Cratchet's other charges observed you and BOJ frenetically dancing to it at a Mensa event. EOD was relieved to learn that that truly was a slide rule in BoJ's pocket.

I am not sure how he confirmed the fact.

At least Glenn Beck has now been thoroughly dewormed!

yeah, but he's still a plague on humanity.

Ivermectin seems appropriate for a horse's ass.

Done & Done,

"Ivermectin seems appropriate for a horse's ass."

Could you let us know what research you have done to come to this opinion?

:)

Research? Just listen to his broadcasts. If you can't determine that he's a horses ass from those, seek professional help.

I have listened to his broadcasts (podcasts). Don't agree with many things he says, but do agree with some. He may come from the Mormon prospective on many things he says, does not make everything he says "wrong".

So, in your opinion I need to seek professional help because I happen to agree sometimes with someone on the radio who happens to be Mormon?

You created a new account 2 weeks ago. Every post you have is covid comments. You're a troll that doesn't deserve attention or a response.

Have been here for years without posting... used to post many years ago (wish I could remember my old name, been so long ago). The fact that I post on a current hot topic (that is related to Mormonism via Glen Beck) makes me a troll? OK

It's interesting that sometimes when someone asks a question or asks someone for more information to understand the other point of view they are told things like "I'm through with this discussion." or "You're a troll that doesn't deserve attention or a response"

Almost makes me feel like I'm back in the Mormon church where the thinking has been done...

Samuel Clemens Wrote:
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> Have been here for years without posting... used
> to post many years ago (wish I could remember my
> old name, been so long ago). The fact that I
> post on a current hot topic (that is related to
> Mormonism via Glen Beck) makes me a troll? OK
>
> It's interesting that sometimes when someone asks
> a question or asks someone for more information to
> understand the other point of view they are told
> things like "I'm through with this discussion."
> or "You're a troll that doesn't deserve attention
> or a response"
>
> Almost makes me feel like I'm back in the Mormon
> church where the thinking has been done...

A virus is not alive, and things designed to kill bacteria will not kill a virus.

See my post below.

Taking horse paste to kill a virus is like trying to use a fly swatter to kill a charging grizzly bear. You can throw lots of fly swatters at the bear and the bear won't care.

Somewhat confused about I became mixed up with a Virus being alive discussion. :)

Your post and links below were good. Thanks.

There's no "both sides" or alternative reality here.

This is mother nature and science.

Worms are parasites that live inside another animal and feed off of them.

Worms and bacteria are living organisms.
A virus is not really alive.

Worms and bacteria can reproduce on their own.
A virus cannot.

A virus is just a collection of molecules that floats around and doesn't do anything until it comes into contact with other cells.

A virus hijacks other cells and makes them make copies of itself.

A virus is much, much smaller than a worm, and even smaller than a bacterium.

You can't see a virus with an optical microscope.

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/why-are-viruses-hard-kill-virologists-explain-why-these-tiny-n1202046

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/infectious-diseases/expert-answers/infectious-disease/faq-20058098



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Well bless your heart. And mind. I have been tickled by facts. One of my favorite things.

It's actually not as clear cut as you are making it sound. Sometimes medications do prove effective for conditions not related to the original purpose for development of the drug. Rarely so, but it does happen. Ivermectin has been tested on covid. Doesn't work.

Clorox will kill both viruses and parasites. And humans. So it is clearly effective. It fails the "safe" part of safe and effective.

As for viruses not being able to reproduce, they can if aided by hijacking the cellular reproduction machinery of other living beings. That limits them somewhat, but they can manage to reproduce. They also die if exposed to a hostile environment (like air, for corona virus, and all viruses, given long enough exposure to air). So they are sort of living creatures.

Plants can make food out of thin air, water, a few soil chemicals, and sunshine. Most other living entities can't do that. They must get food from other living entities most of which are either green plants, or things that eat green plants. (Yes, I know there are a few creatures that can manufacture food in ways other than photosynthesis, like thermal vents, but they are a very tiny part of the food chain).

So, a huge number of creatures on the earth can't make their own food from inanimate objects. They have to eat things that can make their own food from inanimate stuff. That does make them dependent on other life for them to stay alive. It does not make then "not alive".

I see viruses the same way. Yes, they need other living cells to reproduce. But given the other living cells, they do indeed reproduce. Just like we, given the food produced by other living cells, can power the cells in our own bodies.


Like I said, not all that clear cut. We know ivermectin doesn't work against covid, not because it is "horse paste". We know it doesn't work because we actually tested it using standard medical testing protocols, and it didn't work. Maybe the protocols are bad, but that is a really long long shot.

Good information.

It is appreciated that you mention "horse paste" like that. I see others using that term to ridicule others opinion on the subject rather than present their side of the discussion.

My opinion is that there has been bad karma on all sides of the Covid crisis.

Samuel Clemens Wrote:
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> It is appreciated that you mention "horse paste"
> like that. I see others using that term to
> ridicule others opinion on the subject rather than
> present their side of the discussion.

Using Ivermectin for COVID is indeed ridiculous. BoJ did not contest that.


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> My opinion is that there has been bad karma on all
> sides of the Covid crisis.

There's a lot less bad karma among the vaccinated than among the unvaccinated. That's called "fact."

"Using Ivermectin for COVID is indeed ridiculous"

That sounds like an opinion to me, some may feel otherwise.

"BoJ did not contest that"

Re-read my message, it never implied that he did.

"There's a lot less bad karma among the vaccinated than among the unvaccinated. That's called "fact."

That sounds like another opinion, now they can become facts...

I have tried to remain more positive towards people in this conversation, but admit the negative has started to affect my postings. There are a lot of good people who post on this board, however there are a lot of negative people here as well.

It's almost like I need to recover from some people who post on Recovery from Mormonism.

I am going to stop any posts on RFM (tuck my tail between my legs and venture to more positive fields). I used to lurk from time to time, feel no more need to do that. On to more positive pastures.

You Won

BYE


(Admin feel free to block my IP.)

This isn't like religion where you can just make up stuff.

This is reality.

Why are all the people who are not vaccinated and taking such "alternative" treatments sick and dying by the thousands?

Think!

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/08/13/fact-check-ivermectin-not-proven-covid-19-treatment/5566216001/

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19

https://www.lupus.org/resources/hydroxychloroquine-plaquenil-coronavirus-covid19-questions-answers#:~:text=No.%20There%20is%20no,to%20start%20it%20now.



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... A fart in the whirlwind ...

Karma? What?

The unvaccinated have the hospitals clogged and have the doctors and other health care workers run ragged and overwhelmed. If such a thing as bad karma existed then the health care workers are the victims of the bad karma emitted by the unvaccinated.

Very sophomoric to use that tactic of trying to discredit the other side rather than address the damage the unvaccinated are doing. Like denying people who need serious operations the chance to get them.

There is nothing 50/50 about this situation. Geez.

Ivermectin, in whatever form, will not kill the virus and prevent or cure COVID-19.

That's a fact.

Wear a mask and wash your hands, reduce your risk of exposure, and get vaccinated and boosted.

That's what is going to save your life :)



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