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Posted by: schrodingerscat ( )
Date: May 20, 2022 03:57PM

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/251305/archbishop-cordileone-nancy-pelosi-communion-abortion

Archbishop Cordileone bars Nancy Pelosi from Communion until she ends abortion support.

No word yet on when Archbishops will star barring fellow Catholic Priests from Communion until they quit raping Altar Boys.
Until then, they'll keep moving rapist priests to unsuspecting parishes so they can continue raping Altar Boys to their heart's content.

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: May 20, 2022 05:19PM

I had it when Catholic clerics throw their weight around in that manner. They do it to make a show.

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Posted by: dagny ( )
Date: May 22, 2022 11:24AM

Nancy is probably a true believer who loves her religion. He is punishing the people who are actually supporting the Church. IMO, what he has done was amplify the voices who want religion to be taxed for their obvious political motives.

Also, for him to judge as if the Church is some kind of moral guide is beyond disgusting. The Church is one of the primary organizations that exclude women in positions of power.

I can't understand how women can keep enabling the Church. I suspected that most high profile politicians were doing it for show, but it's hard accounting for the cognitive dissonance they demonstrate.

I wish we could finally find a way to tax the political entities known as religion. They are not fooling many of us.

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: May 22, 2022 11:41AM

>> I can't understand how women can keep enabling the Church.

From my time as a Catholic -- It is not unusual for Catholics to take a cafeteria approach. They take what they need or want and leave the rest. They freely ignore any directives from on high that clash with their own personal beliefs (i.e. the ban on "artificial" birth control.)

Also, IMO Catholics tend to think of it as "their church" as opposed to the church of the higher-ups. This is rooted in the belief that the believers as a whole compose the body of Christ.

I left due to the demeaning treatment of women, but plenty of women choose to stay.

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Posted by: Maca ( )
Date: May 22, 2022 01:03PM

What I find amazing is that there are photos all over the internet of the pope adoring Nancy even exchanging gifts, obviously his holiness loves Nancy, Catholics cant keep straight do they condone abortion and socialism or not? It's all very confusing to us protestants.

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: May 22, 2022 01:17PM

It's up to the local bishop or archbishop as to whether or not a Catholic is eligible to receive communion. In practice, it is only denied on very rare occasions, usually for someone prominent like Pelosi, to make a political point.

And you are right, there is a lot of inconsistency and even hypocrisy involved.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: May 23, 2022 04:53PM

The View, now?

I thought you'd reached rock bottom with Zerohedge and Gateway Pundit. But now you're on to daytime talk shows?

That's your foil?

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Posted by: schrodingerscat ( )
Date: May 23, 2022 05:30PM

The NYT calls the View “The most important political talk show in America”

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/22/magazine/the-view-politics-tv.html

But it’s not important enough for you?

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: May 23, 2022 08:03PM

Don't care.

I don't look at the news to find people who agree with me, I look at the news to learn--and the View doesn't fulfill that requirement. But hey, if you or caffiend can find (what you think is) polemical support for your positions by watching daytime talk shows, be my guest.



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Posted by: schrodingerscat ( )
Date: May 23, 2022 11:52PM

I know you don’t care.
That’s the whole issue. Maybe you should start.

What show is a more important political talk show than the View?

I don’t watch it, but my wife does and she brings up topics they discuss all the time. We both take everything they say with a grain of salt, but they have some interesting exchanges between the liberals and conservatives, about important political topics, that you don’t hear elsewhere.

Personally I think those kinds of conversations, between women, are important, to help digest current events.

I also like hearing comedians take on current events, because they can speak truth in a way others really can’t.

I’m listening to George Carlin’s American Dream’ right now. He’s awesome. I appreciate comedians who keep his type of satirical ironic comedy alive. Colbert, John Stewart, John Oliver, Ricky Gervaise, Bill Maher, they’re all keeping Carlin’s form of comedy alive.



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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: May 24, 2022 02:46AM

Well, Kori, I think we know what happens when someone gets their news from your favorite sources.

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Posted by: schrodingerscat ( )
Date: May 24, 2022 09:13AM

I get most of my news from the NYT and NOR, but I also appreciate comedians take on it.

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Posted by: ziller ( )
Date: May 29, 2022 05:47PM

you know it is all right ~


it is OK ~


exmos live to see another day ~


exmos can try to understand ~



the new york times effect on man ~

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Posted by: caffiend ( )
Date: May 23, 2022 05:32PM

You'll note that the Tweet was circulated by the Washington Free Beacon.

Let's not overlook the Post--your source for info on the Laptop From Hell.

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Posted by: Tevai ( )
Date: May 24, 2022 03:16AM

caffiend Wrote:
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> ~ In her defense, she might not be savvy to the
> theology here, being Jewish.

According to the Google results I have read, she does indeed "feel Jewish"--but this is not the same thing as BEING a Jew according to Jewish law. From what I have read on Google, she is NOT a Jew.

According to Jewish law, a Jew is one of two things:

1) Born of a Jewish M-O-T-H-E-R. [Jewish fathers do NOT count when it comes to whether their offspring are according-to-Jewish-law legal Jews.] Or, alternatively ...

2) A convert to Judaism according to Jewish law. Across the wide spectrum of Judaism, this can mean a number of different things (most often depending on which Jewish "denomination" is doing the converting: Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, etc.).

In general, conversion to Judaism involves Jewish ritual circumcision for males, plus appearance before a Bet Din [Jewish legal court] for everyone, and mikvah (ritual immersion according to Jewish law) for everyone.

When I converted at the University of Judaism (now: American Jewish University; affiliated with the Conservative movement in Judaism), our mikvah was the Pacific Ocean (which IS a kosher mikvah) because the indoor mikvah being constructed at the U.J. was having problems simultaneously dealing with both Jewish legal requirements, plus the plumbing code of the City of Los Angeles. [There is a Jewish law requirement that a mikvah must qualify as "living waters," which is a Jewish philosophical concept.]

The circumcisions for the males in my class who were converting were done individually, by appointment, at the offices of medical doctors.

The men in my conversion class who were actually converting (*), all agreed that the "symbolic circumcisions" (for those men who were already circumcised, usually as infants) hurt more than the complete circumcisions did (for those males who had never been previously circumcised).

Our Bet Din [rabbinical court] was held one night near the end of our classes, with our teachers being the judges on the court. [All of us who were seeking conversion all passed!]

(*) Re: the non-Jewish males in our class who were already circumcised, usually as infants, and usually soon after their birth: in order to become legally Jewish, they had to be symbolically circumcised as part of the prescribed legal Jewish conversion. What this means is: the M.D. a man has chosen puts on his kippah (head covering) and his prayer shawl...says the appropriate blessings...and then draws a single drop of blood from the head of the penis with a sterile surgical needle. I think there are maybe a couple of blessings more which are said, and then the prospective convert is a kosher prospective convert.

Also: there was a U.J requirement that if someone was converting because they were going to marry a Jew, BOTH members of the couple had to go through the academic part of the course together (to build unity in the future new family). The usual American situation is: Male Jew with female non-Jew (unless and until she converts). This means that many of the men in our class were already legal Jews, so they did NOT need to get circumcised again! ;)

Several weeks before the end of our classes, all of the males who were seeking conversion were given printed instructions: names, addresses, and phone numbers of M.D.'s who were also qualified legal (and Jewish!) circumcisers. They each phoned their personal choice of doctor from that list, made the appointment, and then showed up at the date and the time they had agreed on. There was general agreement among the men in my class that the "symbolics" hurt more than the full circumcisions did--something we females found odd and sort of unbelievable, but the men all agreed with each other on this.

EDITED TO ADD: I forgot something important: Any post-op scabbing from the circumcision/symbolic circumcision surgical procedure had to be gone before that male could go through the mikvah/ritual bath, so there was a specific date told to us, beyond which neither circumcision procedure could be done if that male was going to convert with the rest of us. (This meant, at least theoretically, that the doctor's working schedule would be rearranged, if necessary, to meet that specific date.)

The last step in legally converting to Judaism is the Beit Din [legal Jewish court], which we were all apprehensive about, but the three judges were also our teachers and we all passed. (By that time, the teachers knew all of us well, so the Beit Din was no problem for any of us.)

The bottom line is: According to Jewish law, no one can just declare that they are now Jewish. If you were not born of a legally Jewish mother, and you want to be Jewish, then (male or female) you must go through the Jewish legal conversion process.



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Posted by: bradley ( )
Date: May 29, 2022 06:16PM

And just in case you think Jewish law is not enforced: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V7FD2xIS1yo

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Posted by: pollythinks ( )
Date: May 23, 2022 05:32PM

"They keep raping alter boys".

IMO, it is not natural for men not to enjoy sex. Therefore, some Catholic priests have defaulted by raping alter boys. Very sad!

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: May 23, 2022 05:36PM

I think the enforced celibacy of the Catholics has never been practical. While a few monks might be suitable for a celibate lifestyle, I think that parish priests should be free to marry and to rear a family.

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Posted by: Nightingale ( )
Date: May 23, 2022 06:35PM

summer Wrote:
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> I think the enforced celibacy of the Catholics has
> never been practical.

Yes, I don't understand it. How would enough men want to take a vow of lifetime celibacy to keep the church in priests unto eternity? Why would enough men want to take that vow? Was it to make the Catholic church stand out from the crowd? Is it such a defining principle that they're stuck with it forever?

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: May 23, 2022 06:46PM

There is increasing difficulty with finding enough men to take that vow. The Catholic church is struggling to find enough priests (and also nuns for that matter.) Many parishes are understaffed.

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: May 24, 2022 02:23AM

Weaponized catholicism.

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Posted by: Stiffnekid ( )
Date: May 26, 2022 02:48AM

In san francisco?

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