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Handmaid's Tale, here we come...

https://www.denverpost.com/2022/06/27/lauren-boebert-church-state-colorado/

Just days after the U.S. Supreme Court overturned the constitutional right to abortion, Colorado’s Western Slope Rep. Lauren Boebert said churches should direct the government, not the other way around.

Boebert’s comments, made Sunday to a crowd at the Cornerstone Christian Center in Basalt, take aim directly at the separation of church and state.

“The church is supposed to direct the government. The government is not supposed to direct the church,” Boebert told the crowd, which applauded. “I’m tired of this separation of church and state junk.”

“It was not in the Constitution, it was in a stinking letter and it means nothing like what they say it does,” she continued.

The first-term, far-right congresswoman’s comments are disturbing, several political experts said and were likely inspired by recent U.S. Supreme Court rulings.

Richard Collins, a retired constitutional law professor at the University of Colorado Boulder, called the statements unsurprising. But the case in favor of the separation of church and state is strong, he said.

Andrew Seidel, of Americans United, said Boebert is flat out wrong.

He pointed to the first three words of the Constitution’s Preamble, “We the people,” as evidence.

America’s Constitution was the first not to mention a deity, said Andrew Seidel, of Americans United, an organization dedicated to the separation of church and state. And the only reference to religion in the founding document is to prohibit a religious test for those seeking to hold public office.

“We are about to get a very brutal real-world lesson in what it’s like to live in a country that doesn’t have that separation,” Seidel said. “And that looks like conservative, white Christians as this privileged class and everybody else as these second class citizens.”



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Quiet Part, I'd like to introduce you to Out Loud.

"It was worse in the Winter when the bars closing at Saturday sunset meant the menfolk went home early, and angry..."

--Excerpt from "When Paradise was Hell", the banned-in-America British exposé of life in Christ-centered, Christ-run America, by Judic West, tuneless Cantor of Temple Beth Shapiro, neé Wong




P.S.: feel free to quote your favorite passage(s). . .



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"Everyone knows that manly Christian men only become violent or commit sexual sins when beguiled by womem"

Perhaps she wants to see anti-blasphemy laws and Sunday blue laws reinstated.

She operates a restaurant in Colorado. Restaurants typically have liquor licenses. It would be fitting if her own local christian voter base decided to turn Garfield County "dry," taking away one of her major profit centers. (Assuming her restaurant is still open. It looks like the new landlord may force her to move or close up shop.)

She only means her variety of religion, of course.

IMO, it's high time we find a way to substantially tax religion. The wall between religion and state is being chiseled away. If we have to pay for what religion is doing, they should pitch in more. It's obvious a lot of religion is mainly about accumulating wealth, using believers as a voting block and influencing laws that impact all of us.

And Colorado R’s just nominated her to represent them in Congress, again. Seems like Christofascists are winning the CULTure War by playing the long game. With women like her in Congress, It’ll take another 50yrs for women to win their rights back which they’ve enjoyed for the past 50yrs. Apparently the voters of Colorado think she’s doing what they sent her to DC to do.

Please don’t lump all Colorado voters in with her wacky congressional district. If she were on a statewide ballot, she would be soundly defeated. All three election deniers that were running for statewide offices in Colorado were defeated yesterday.

The church and state idea originally had to do with taxes that would support the church. The founders didn't want mandatory tithing, certain religions have relied on mandatory tithing such as the catholic church, pius xii had a deal with Hitler to get their tithing deducted from all german households in exchange for the church to support the nazis and facists rather than the commies, mucalini was instrumental in helping the church with money as well to support the lavish court pomp and pageantry of the expensive court after the loss of the paper states.

But as for separation of church and state meaning the church I d to be absent from education, speaking to political issues, or defending traditional genders, this is not what separation means. Or what the founders believed.

Maca Wrote:
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> But as for separation of church and state meaning
> the church I d to be absent from education,
> speaking to political issues, or defending
> traditional genders, this is not what separation
> means. Or what the founders believed.
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Prove it.

Utter bullshit.

There is nothing in the constitution or the practice of the state and national officials who created the constitution that suggests that taxation was the focus. To the contrary, the supreme court rulings going back centuries indicate that the freedom from taxation for churches' non-commercial operations is entirely a matter of choice by the various legislators.

There are times--like the nonsense about the Holy Roman Empire--when your views are recognizable as misunderstandings of actual history or science--but there are other times when there is no conceivable starting point for your flights of fancy. This is one of the latter.

Want to be taken seriously? Provide evidence for what you claim. A good place to start would be the constitution, although you proved the other day you have never read Article Three and hence didn't know the status and purpose of the Judiciary. It would be too much, therefore, to ask you to read the Federalist Papers.'

Wouldn't it?

The founders were serious about not mixing church and state.

"The establishment clause and the mail came in conflict in the early nineteenth century. In 1810 Congress passed a law requiring that post offices open at least one hour a day, including Sunday. On and off from 1810 to 1831, religious leaders and others petitioned Congress to change the law. But among the arguments in defense of the law was the claim that a federal law that explicitly recognized the Sabbath would violate the principle of separation of church and state. During the 1850s, Sunday postal service died a slow death, and it effectively ceased altogether after the Civil War (although the 1810 law was not repealed until 1912).

https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/1130/mail

mtsu = Middle Tennessee State Univ.

Maca Wrote:
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> The church and state idea originally had to do
> with taxes that would support the church.

What's the best way to get Maca to shut up?

Ask him for evidence.

All out defense of the Second Amendment, but hey, let's scrap the First Amendment!

Yes!

Sounds like a good idea. Maybe someone should ask her if "Allahu Ekbar" is the group she thinks should be in charge?

Obviously she never learned about what happened when Brigham Young ran Utah. And, from a state as close to the Moridor as Colorado is, I thought that Mrs. (I can't bring myself to call her Representative) Boebert would know about that.

Half the guns in Colorado must be in her district.

10 commandments vs. 10 ammendments.