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Posted by: [|] ( )
Date: March 22, 2023 03:52PM

https://www.sltrib.com/news/education/2023/03/22/utah-parent-says-bible-contains/

Says that it contains “Incest, onanism, bestiality, prostitution, genital mutilation, fellatio, dildos, rape, and even infanticide,” the parent wrote in their request, listing topics they found concerning in the religious text. “You’ll no doubt find that the Bible, under Utah Code Ann. § 76-10-1227, has ‘no serious values for minors’ because it’s pornographic by our new definition.”

They included 8 pages of scriptural references to support their position.

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Posted by: moehoward ( )
Date: March 22, 2023 04:16PM

When people ask me about religion, one of my standard lines.
"I was raised Mormon, so I don't know anything about the bible"

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Posted by: Brother Of Jerry ( )
Date: March 22, 2023 04:45PM

It also has magic spells and incantations, and gets the value of π wrong.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: March 22, 2023 05:00PM

Surely 3.0 is, in your frequent phrase, "close enough for government work."

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Posted by: Brother Of Jerry ( )
Date: March 23, 2023 03:48AM

And so much easier to remember.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: March 23, 2023 04:09AM

Just remember: 10 cubits in diameter and 30 cubits in circumference.

God made it work.

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: March 22, 2023 05:09PM

      

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Posted by: decultified ( )
Date: March 22, 2023 05:32PM

It also has god ordering public nudity. We should be grateful that he no longer requires such commitment from his profits; it would be too much for the rest of us to bear.


Isaiah 20:2-4

2 At the same time spake the Lord by Isaiah the son of Amoz, saying, Go and loose the sackcloth from off thy loins, and put off thy shoe from thy foot. And he did so, walking naked and barefoot.

3 And the Lord said, Like as my servant Isaiah hath walked naked and barefoot three years for a sign and wonder upon Egypt and upon Ethiopia;

4 So shall the king of Assyria lead away the Egyptians prisoners, and the Ethiopians captives, young and old, naked and barefoot, even with their buttocks uncovered, to the shame of Egypt.

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: March 22, 2023 05:50PM

That person is not wrong. Remove the filth from our schools!

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: March 22, 2023 06:20PM

summer Wrote:
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> Remove the filth
> from our schools!
>


I hated when people chanted that at me during lunch.

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: March 22, 2023 06:22PM

EOD, I choose to think that was a commentary on the cafeteria food.

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: March 22, 2023 06:25PM

    
    

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Posted by: Nightingale ( )
Date: March 23, 2023 04:24PM

summer Wrote:
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> EOD, I choose to think that was a commentary on
> the cafeteria food.

I hope so. Otherwise, inestimably sad.

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Posted by: Beth ( )
Date: March 22, 2023 08:22PM


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Posted by: I ( )
Date: March 22, 2023 09:19PM

Also the BoM: Killing... Racism... Sexism galore...

Man uses bible to condemn mormon bible.

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Posted by: Elder Brother ( )
Date: March 23, 2023 02:33PM

Has anyone considered just moving the Bible to the "fiction" section?
Maybe that would work.

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Posted by: I ( )
Date: March 24, 2023 03:42AM

Elder Brother Wrote:
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> Has anyone considered just moving the Bible to the
> "fiction" section?
> Maybe that would work.


It's doubtful!

It'll never get out of friction

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Posted by: catnip ( )
Date: March 24, 2023 04:18AM

One of my precious grandmothers gave each of her grandkids a copy of the King James version of the Bible. I still have mine. It lives in my underwear drawer. (Yes, with my other "drawers.")

Because I adored both of my grandmothers, I made several very sincere efforts to wade through that Bible. But between the dreary subject matter and the obscure language, I never got very far.

My mother tried to force me to attend Sunday School at church, but I dug my heels in and absolutely refused to go. (This was largely because my three best friends, growing up, were Catholics, and they absolutely LOATHED catechism.)

I learned more about matters Biblical in the Mormon church, but never revised my sentiment about the quality of the material.

Same with the BoM, only worse.

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Posted by: stillanon ( )
Date: March 24, 2023 11:29PM

If you read the definition of the books that Utah public school libraries are banning, you'll find that the bible checks off more boxes than any other book that they banned.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: March 24, 2023 11:33PM

Yes, but the Bible is God's pornography. The rest is Satan's imitation.

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Posted by: blindguy ( )
Date: March 25, 2023 09:01AM

When I was in the second grade, I was given a book of "children's Bible stories" (from a Protestant perspective) by another blind child. It was in braille and had sections devoted to both the Old and New Testaments. It was written in King James language, but none of the verses in the stories were marked (though at the end of each story, a Bible verse was marked and quoted that I suppose the author(s) thought was related to the story).

Fast forward to my freshman year at a Jesuit Catholic high school. I had to take the standard religious course and for that, I was able to get part of the New Jerusalem Bible (the entire New Testament and some books from the Old Testament) in braille. What to my surprise when I read some of the portions of the Old Testament to discover how Judea spilled his seed on the ground instead of impregnating a woman; David killing a man so that he could gain this man's wife for his harem (though that was not the word used in the text); and other stories alluded to in the lawsuit being discussed here. My fellow freshmen and I laughed at the stories. And, at least for me, at the time I didn't figure that they were trying to teach me some moral lessons on male sexual behavior--that would come much later.

Now I look at the lawsuit in Utah and think two things: 1) the person filing the lawsuit is absolutely correct; and 2) most people have never read the Bible in full (like most Mormons have never read the book of Mormon in full) and have absolutely no idea what some of the stories in the so-called "Good Book" actually contain.

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Posted by: Rubicon ( )
Date: March 25, 2023 10:42AM

I like the Bible. I can use it to justify anything and make myself look superior while doing it.

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Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: March 25, 2023 10:50AM

They wanted The Bible, right?

https://youtu.be/MEVtvXbkbnE

https://variety.com/2016/tv/news/of-kings-and-prophets-cancelled-abc-1201731847/



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/25/2023 10:53AM by anybody.

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Posted by: schrodingerscat ( )
Date: March 25, 2023 10:54AM

Should’ve banned the BOM too.

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Posted by: schrodingerscat ( )
Date: March 25, 2023 08:17PM

I used to love the Bible. But now I call it the BuyBull, because I can’t believe I ever bought that bullshit.
The only part I love now is in John 1:1-4 in the original Greek,

“In the beginning was the Logos, and the Logos was with God, and the Logos was God. Logos was with God in the beginning. 3 Through Logos all things were made; without Logos nothing was made that has been made. In Logos was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.”

which was much more beautiful and meaningful idea than the English, “Word”.
Logos in Greek is not ‘the Word’.
It is what the word Logic is derived from, but it is the active reason that permeates and animates the cosmos.
How the universe tends towards order out of chaos, matter out of energy, rather than pure energy

Energy slowed down to light speed becomes photons as it interacts with the Higgs Field,

The God Field

Much wisdom is lost in the translation between Ancient languages and English, which is really inadequate for describing some words that had far more meaning than in the English Translation.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: March 25, 2023 09:14PM

In classical Greek, logos meant speech, word, utterance, with the nuance of reason--that which is spoken--coming later. You can't change that by force of will.

Ironically, you make the same mistake with Dao, which likewise means to speak or express verbally as well as cosmic principle. That's in Daodejing, first chapter, first sentence.

And no, neither the classical Greeks nor the Taoists ever said anything remotely about "matter out of energy," "pure energy," the "Higgs field," or the "God Field [sic]."

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: March 25, 2023 09:33PM

  
  

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: March 25, 2023 09:38PM

I don't want to think what that means in terms of energy and mass.

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: March 25, 2023 10:20PM

  
  

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Posted by: schrodingerscat ( )
Date: March 26, 2023 01:01PM

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logos

“Stoic philosophy began with Zeno of Citium c. 300 BC, in which the logos was the active reason pervading and animating the Universe. It was conceived as material and is usually identified with God or Nature. The Stoics also referred to the seminal logos ("logos spermatikos"), or the law of generation in the Universe, which was the principle of the active reason working in inanimate matter. Humans, too, each possess a portion of the divine logos.

The Stoics took all activity to imply a logos or spiritual principle. As the operative principle of the world, the logos was anima mundi to them, a concept which later influenced Philo of Alexandria, although he derived the contents of the term from Plato. In his Introduction to the 1964 edition of Marcus Aurelius' Meditations, the Anglican priest Maxwell Staniforth wrote that "Logos ... had long been one of the leading terms of Stoicism, chosen originally for the purpose of explaining how deity came into relation with the universe".

Britannica gives this:
Logos, (Greek: “word,” “reason,” or “plan”)plural logoi, in Greek philosophy and theology, the divine reason implicit in the cosmos, ordering it and giving it form and meaning.

https://www.facebook.com/416604375033927/posts/pfbid02MqkVTiD2zv1qrqqcSQNLbLZPdR9AioTA36AUg3gK92vWWtCHfTGbksb3FYMHsGgMl/?mibextid=cr9u03

“Was the Greek concept of "logos"(λόγος) in the Judeo-Christian bible mistranslated into English as "word" when it's meaning is actually closer to the Chinese conception of "tao" (道) the principles and ways of Nature?

"The Christian scriptures, when translated into Chinese, use the word "Tao" to express the concept of "Word," or "Logos" in the Greek. Is this the answer? Is the Logos of St. John the Apostle and the Christians, the same as the "Tao" of the Lao Tzu and the Taoists?

It is said, that the Chinese are to the East, what the Greek are to the West. The analogy works very well for our purposes here, as it is two concepts, the Tao of the Chinese and the Logos of the Greeks (most specifically the Christian Greeks), with which we wish to compare and contrast.

Hieromonk Damascene believes so and illustrates in his book "Christ the Eternal Tao" just exactly how this relationship came to be. His premise is, that among the ancient philosophers, mystics and sages, none come closer to understanding the nature of things, than Lao Tzu.

Of all Ancient philosophers, Lao Tzu came the closest to assimilating the essence of reality and describing the Tao or Logos. His Tao Te Ching represents the epitome of what a human being can know through intuition, through the apprehension of the universal Principle and Pattern manifested in the created order."

Text Source: The Logos and the Tao http://www.oodegr.com/english/anatolikes/logos_n_tao.htm

Related: "In the beginning was the λόγος ..." http://www.bible-researcher.com/logos.html

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: March 26, 2023 05:48PM

You really need to show some progress between iterations of your silliness--some evidence that you are capable of learning.

1) You asserted that "logos" originally meant reason or logic and only later because word or expression. That is wrong. To support your argument, you now cite the Stoics, who date to well over a millennium *after* the original Greek was spoken.

Your evidence tells us nothing about original Greek and therefore does not support your assertion.


2) I stated that you make the same mistake about the Dao. In both cases, logos and Dao, the original usage was in fact "to speak." In both cases the words evolved later to mean "that which is spoken" or "that which is reasoned." You do not offer evidence that that is wrong.

Instead, you throw word salad at us based on a blog post. What is in your word salad? Father Damascene's declaration that the "common heritage" of "all ancient people," who were "simpler and more innocent" than us, is "monotheism." Is that your view, Mr. The Cat? Were all ancient people monotheists?

And then there's the assertion that in 600 CE there was "a Christian monastery and/or parish church in every major city in China." Seriously, Mr. The Cat, do you agree with your source? Can you point me to any documentation for that assertion?

Acknowledge error and learn. That's what responsible thinkers do.



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Posted by: schrodingerscat ( )
Date: March 27, 2023 01:08PM

No, I said Logos was conceived of by the Greeks as,”the active reason pervading and animating the Universe,” Which is how it is defined by the Stoics. And I provided a link.
I also said the original Greek “Logos” is translated as “Tao” in Chinese translations, which it is, and is a better translation than ‘The Word’ in English translations.
To me, it’s meaningful. If you don’t find any meaning in that, that’s your choice, not mine.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: March 27, 2023 01:59PM

schrodingerscat Wrote:
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> No, I said Logos was conceived of by the Greeks
> as,”the active reason pervading and animating
> the Universe,”

Silly, silly man.

You said "Logos in Greek is not ‘the Word’." Those are your words. Now you baldly deny having written that. Do you think no one will notice your attempted deception?

Moreover, you cite the Encyclopedia Britannica in support of your new position, which merely proves that your initial claim was bogus.


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> I also said the original Greek “Logos” is
> translated as “Tao” in Chinese translations,
> which it is, and is a better translation than
> ‘The Word’ in English translations.

Do you read classical Greek? No. Obviously no. Do you read classical Chinese? No, most obviously no. So you have no way of knowing anything about either logos or Tao.

Then you offer as proof for your revised claim a citation to what? To a Facebook post. Yes, that bastion of truth, Facebook.

Then, to make yourself look rigorous you add two more links. But where did you get them? You got them from the Facebook post--and they are themselves undocumented blog posts. In short, you are citing some internet rando's summarization of two internet randos' blogs.

And you didn't even read the blogs. How do I know? Because your second blog post says the Greeks did not come up with the word/rationality connection at all. The Greeks stole it from the Hebrews/Jews, which is the opposite of what you are now asserting.

So which is it, SC? Should we take you seriously? If so, should it be your initial claim or your blatantly contradictory second claim? Should we take your anonymous and undocumented sources seriously? If so, should it be the ones that agree with you or the one that says you are wrong?


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> To me, it’s meaningful. If you don’t find any
> meaning in that, that’s your choice, not mine.

Oh, these questions fascinate me. But only insofar as they accord with fact. Once you start spinning your yarns, asserting things that are utterly false and thereby demonstrating your lack of any interest in the truth, you've lost me and anyone else who cares about accuracy.

Maybe you should stick with astrophysics and quantum mechanics.

No?

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Posted by: [|] ( )
Date: March 26, 2023 01:43AM

>Energy slowed down to light speed becomes photons as it interacts with the Higgs Field,

What are you talking about?

First,if you are talking about electromagnetic energy, photons are packets of electromagnetic energy. They *ALWAYS* travel at the (local) velocity of light by definition.

You can't slow electromagnetic energy (or photons- see above) down to light speed because it is always going at light speed.

If you mean kinetic energy, then you must have a particle of some kind going faster than light i.e. a tachyon. There is no evidence for the existence of tachyons, and several theoretical and philosophical arguments against their existence. Nevertheless, if they exist, then according to relativity, they cannot be slowed down to the speed of light.

Other forms of energy - potential energy, chemical energy, etc. don't have any associated speed, so talking about slowing them down is meaningless.

Second, photons do not interact with the Higgs field. That is why they do not have a rest mass.

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Posted by: Beth ( )
Date: March 26, 2023 02:28AM

My thoughts exactly!

One of my regrets is that I will probably never understand quantum mechanics. Is that what we’re talking about? Serious question.

All I know about photons is related to x-ray and mammo machines, and I’ve forgotten most of it. I think the target changes the penetrating ability of x-rays, like molybdenum targets are used for mammos to image soft tissue, but that’s as far as my knowledge takes me.

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Posted by: [|] ( )
Date: March 26, 2023 02:31AM

Quantum mechanics and relativity/

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Posted by: Beth ( )
Date: March 26, 2023 02:41AM

Oh! Hooray!

All I know about relativity I learned from Nova.

They had great visuals that helped get me closer to understanding, but didn’t quite get me all the way.

I’ll see if I can find old episodes about (Einstein’s?) thought experiment with a train and time. Another thing I enjoy was how they described planetary orbits as a piece of flexible cloth that maintains, to a certain degree, their paths.

That Brian Greene guy? Yeah. My brain isn’t flexible enough to accept string theory.

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: March 26, 2023 10:59AM

my Quantum mechanic (now they're called technicians) retired, so I traded in my Quantum in for a Tesla...

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Posted by: tensolator ( )
Date: March 26, 2023 09:44PM

Utah Parents United, UPU, youpoo?

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