Those of us who attended the Mormon temple went through the vail upon the five points of fellowship. I believe it was removed in 1991, but I am unsure of the date. Women in particular severely disliked the close intimate contact with an unknown male. Surveys about the temple resulted in the removal of the 5 points of fellowship.

The quote below comes from the book 'Mormon Parallels' © 2014 Rick Grunder

'THE FIVE POINTS OF FELLOWSHIP (Masonic Version)
They then all assemble round the candidate, the master having declared that the
first word spoken after the body was raised, should be adopted as a substitute
for the master's word, for the government of master mason's [sic] lodges in all
future generations; he proceeds to raise the candidate, alias the representative of
the dead body of Hiram Abiff. He {the candidate} is raised on what is called the
five points of fellowship, which are foot to foot, knee to knee, breast to breast,
hand to back, and mouth to ear. This is done by putting the inside of your right
foot to the inside of the right foot of the person to whom you are going to give
the word, the inside of your knee to his, laying your right breast against his, your
left hands on the back of each other, and your mouths to each other's right ear,
{in which position alone you are permitted to give the word} and whisper the
word Mah-hah-bone. The Master's grip is given by taking hold of each other's
right hand as though you were going to shake hands, and sticking the nails of
each of your fingers into the joint of the other's wrist, where it unites with the
hand. In this position the candidate is raised, he keeping his whole body stiff as
though dead. The master in raising him is assisted by some of the brethren who
take hold of the candidate by the arms and shoulders; as soon as he is raised to
his feet they step back, and the master whispers the word Mah-hah-bone in his ear
and causes the candidate to repeat it, telling him at the same time that he must
never give it in any manner other than that which he receives it. —He is also told
that Mah-hah-bone, signifies marrow in the bone.—They then separate, and the
master makes the following explanation respecting the five points of
fellowship.—Master to candidate, 'Brother, foot to foot, teaches you that you
should, whenever asked, go on a brother's errand if within the length of your
Cable-Tow, even if you should have to go barefoot and barehead. Knee to knee,
that you should always remember a master mason in your devotion to Almighty
God. Breast to breast, that you should keep the master mason's secrets, when
given to you in charge as such, as secure and inviolable in your breast, as they
were in his own before communicated to you. Hand to back, that you should
support a master mason behind his back as well as before his face. Mouth to ear,
that you should support his good name as well be-[p. 76 ends]hind his back as
before his face.' [pp. 76-77] '

Another quote from the same from a book on Masonry in the early 1800s

'This is done by putting the inside of your right foot to the inside of your companion's right foot - the inside of your knee to his, laying your right breast against his, your left hands on the back of each other, and your mouths to each other's right ear, and then whispering Mah-Hah-Bone. The points are 1. foot to foot, 2. knee to knee, 3. breast to breast, 4. hand to back, 5. mouth to ear.'

No wonder women were uncomfortable with this and it took only 150+ years to get rid of it in the temple endowment.

The Masons banned Mormons from the lodges for ripping off their ceremonies.

This is just my conjecture.

I was never comfortable with it as a male.

The five points of fellowship thing was creepy. Ewwww creepy. And your big reward for doing it is the thought that "This! This is how you get into heaven?" And then you get into some Hotel Lobby where you are directed to pause for a nano sec and leave.

What is hard to believe is that Joseph's ability to plagiarize anything and everything was so successful. You can blame him if you want but people fell for it in droves. What does that say about them? One thing to fall for it but to stay? Like, forever?

Hard to get yourself out of it all. I know. I feel bad for anyone who didn't get hit hard enough to get knocked off the wagon and land on their real self.

Done & Done Wrote:
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> I feel bad for anyone who didn't get hit hard enough to get knocked off the wagon and land on their real self.

Excellent line.

A big problem was that damned 6th point of contact from some of the male workers on some of the females who came to the veil. They didn't seem to be overjoyed with that stiff 6th point to the pelvic region.

Hold to the rod.

Back before I was converted to the fact that LDS Inc is a fraud and a cult, I remember this was the 5 points of fellowship (i think).

1) left hand to back, 2) mouth to ear, 3) side of right foot by the side of right foot, 4) breast to breast and 5) shaking right hands

Kind of like playing Twister at the temple.

Last time I went to the temple, some old guy at the veil really pressed his body into mine. After I went through, he gave me a sheepish grin. Give me a break! That was it.

Ewwww. Just ewwww.

There is no set behavior for old guys. Hopefully this old guy has learned some parameters and respect for others that excludes him from the slightly suggested category.