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Here is the article link:
https://www.jpost.com/opinion/columnists/the-first-word-what-george-smith-discovered
"The wise Enki had foreseen that the gods would regret their decision and had warned Utnapishtim to prepare a boat, which he did over the following week. It was 120 cubits square and six stories high. He loaded it with animals and plants and set sail at the start of the storm that raged for six days and seven nights. Eventually the boat landed on Mount Nisir (perhaps 300 km. south of Ararat) from where Utnapishtim sent out a dove, a swallow, and finally a raven which did not return."
The Old testament is a regurgitation of older myths and nonsense.
HH =)
https://www.jpost.com/opinion/columnists/the-first-word-what-george-smith-discovered
"The wise Enki had foreseen that the gods would regret their decision and had warned Utnapishtim to prepare a boat, which he did over the following week. It was 120 cubits square and six stories high. He loaded it with animals and plants and set sail at the start of the storm that raged for six days and seven nights. Eventually the boat landed on Mount Nisir (perhaps 300 km. south of Ararat) from where Utnapishtim sent out a dove, a swallow, and finally a raven which did not return."
The Old testament is a regurgitation of older myths and nonsense.
HH =)
Always amazes me thousands of years later how much the Bible myths still rule!
They just don't make them like that anymore.
They just don't make them like that anymore.
I look at the topography of southwest United States and marvel at the geologic history in the mesas, the canyons. They all show great floods and erosion events over the eons.
Look at the Lakes Missoula and Bonniville events to see natural history being repeated.
I understand that the Appalachian Mountains were once bigger and taller than the Rockies and the Sierra mountain now.
A great flood of the bible is possibly only one event that has been repeated over the history of the earth.
Look at the Lakes Missoula and Bonniville events to see natural history being repeated.
I understand that the Appalachian Mountains were once bigger and taller than the Rockies and the Sierra mountain now.
A great flood of the bible is possibly only one event that has been repeated over the history of the earth.
There is more than just the flood myth.
There are many parallels told over and over again from thousands of years back. Same theme, different names. Just like Aunt Martha's story that grew every year she told it at Thanksgiving.
There are many parallels told over and over again from thousands of years back. Same theme, different names. Just like Aunt Martha's story that grew every year she told it at Thanksgiving.
Joseph's Myth covers a lot of territory but seldom leaves tracks...
just sayin'
just sayin'
IMO: we make a fundamental mistake when we try to link these stories to actual events. They could just as easily have started out as just entertaining stories, and trying to find the "original" is a fool's errand. Remember that per Plutarch, the Theseus/Minotaur thing probably started out by some guy who had to spend a weekend in a Cretan hoosegow. To repeat: just because something is in the Bible does not require anybody to search for any sort of historical origination event. It's like trying to find the "real" Mount Doom. My thoughts, anyway.
“The Sumerian Trilogy” by Emily Wilson is fun. So far only the first two have been published. Oh, Gilgamesh.
Dammit. Quit recommending so many good books. I can't read that fast.
These are quickies, reinterpretations with a twist.
Some points.
1) There is absolutely no physical, geological evidence showing that the entire planet Earth was engulfed by a worldwide flood during the time humans existed on it.
2) That said, I do recall reading articles that cited evidence that there were some great floods in the Middle East after the birth of written records there. (Unlike SLSkipper, I don't subscribe to the notion of telling of horrible flood stories as a means of human entertainment; things like weird weather happen in life and those who survive it without the technology we have today tried to make sense of the grievances it caused with stories that often didn't make sense if you ever thought about them.)
3) When I was going to grade school in Arizona, I recall learning that the area on which Phoenix and Tucson now sit was once, before the birth of humans, covered with shallow seas. Apparently, geologists had figured that out by the mid-1970s.
4) I am not convinced that all mountains and canyons were caused by great floods. I remember reading articles in the past about how geologists got to watch the birth of an island (I believe it was in the Pacific Ocean) from lava that spewed out of undersea volcanoes. It's a long shot but it is possible that many of our large continents may have started out this way as well with the mountains forming first.
I know I'm pulling at straws on the last point and I'm sure some of you who know better will correct me. Please feel free to do so--life is about learning new things and that learning doesn't stop once one graduates from college.
1) There is absolutely no physical, geological evidence showing that the entire planet Earth was engulfed by a worldwide flood during the time humans existed on it.
2) That said, I do recall reading articles that cited evidence that there were some great floods in the Middle East after the birth of written records there. (Unlike SLSkipper, I don't subscribe to the notion of telling of horrible flood stories as a means of human entertainment; things like weird weather happen in life and those who survive it without the technology we have today tried to make sense of the grievances it caused with stories that often didn't make sense if you ever thought about them.)
3) When I was going to grade school in Arizona, I recall learning that the area on which Phoenix and Tucson now sit was once, before the birth of humans, covered with shallow seas. Apparently, geologists had figured that out by the mid-1970s.
4) I am not convinced that all mountains and canyons were caused by great floods. I remember reading articles in the past about how geologists got to watch the birth of an island (I believe it was in the Pacific Ocean) from lava that spewed out of undersea volcanoes. It's a long shot but it is possible that many of our large continents may have started out this way as well with the mountains forming first.
I know I'm pulling at straws on the last point and I'm sure some of you who know better will correct me. Please feel free to do so--life is about learning new things and that learning doesn't stop once one graduates from college.
I take your point. However: I refer you to the "original" Grimm's fairy tales. Horrible scenarios. But they were totally fictitious, and they were absolutely told to amuse children- at least as I understand it.
So maybe the flood thing was not meant to amuse, but rather to warn. Maybe it was a drama piece. Drama is usually very entertaining without amusing. But either way, I still see no need to tie it to any actual flood event. And that is my point.
So maybe the flood thing was not meant to amuse, but rather to warn. Maybe it was a drama piece. Drama is usually very entertaining without amusing. But either way, I still see no need to tie it to any actual flood event. And that is my point.
The end of the Ice Age made agriculture and human civilization possible.
It also brought rapid sea level rise and floods.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27BP4CL66Tk
This movie shows a physics-based computer simulation of the Great Flood from Glacial Lake
Missoula about 15,000 years ago. At the time, an ice dam blocked the Clark Fork River near the Idaho-Montana border and backed up a lake about equal in volume to Lake Huron. When the ice dam broke a cataclysmic flood scoured much of central Washington State leaving a vast region covered with erosional remnants.
It also brought rapid sea level rise and floods.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27BP4CL66Tk
This movie shows a physics-based computer simulation of the Great Flood from Glacial Lake
Missoula about 15,000 years ago. At the time, an ice dam blocked the Clark Fork River near the Idaho-Montana border and backed up a lake about equal in volume to Lake Huron. When the ice dam broke a cataclysmic flood scoured much of central Washington State leaving a vast region covered with erosional remnants.
Geology is Fascinating!