Because many people (including me) remember him dying in prison in the 1980s. Yet he later turned up as the President of South Africa. Was it resurrection? How many days did he spend dead?

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> https://health.clevelandclinic.org/mandela-effect

The real Mandela Effect is turning a paramilitary into some kind of saint.

No it was Haile Selassie

Haile Selassie will never die.

I swear some days I feel like I have been raised from the dead. Like today for instance. And I wish they'd have left me alone.

I know the feeling.
I hope you feel better tomorrow!

The sun always rises.

D&D may whine a bit every once in a while, but he knows how much we depend on him and never succumbs!

The only people who have this memory are Americans who confuse him and Steve Biko. Now South Africa is ruled by people who think Nelson Mandela wasn't anti-white enough.

I heard Mandela had a love child with Aaron Sherinian.

That makes the most sense. Mandela was declared dead by "they all look the same to us" white people and by the time they realized their mistake, the "death" had become a worldwide spectacle they couldn't walk back.

I fully understand this position will require a generous six-figure salary to construct the best "strategies" the Church can afford, but when members understand THEY are paying for his unique services...(fabrications, lies, and doublespeak), will they complain?...no. They will say it is the "Will of the Lord that this position be filled....dammit! Pay the man! The "no paid clergy" thing be damned!

"The managing director also leads the department’s work in global, external-facing communication strategies for the church, including news releases issued on Newsroom.ChurchofJesusChrist.org."

https://www.deseret.com/2024/1/9/24032002/latter-day-saint-leaders-hire-new-managing-director-for-church-communication/

Well, if you think getting arrested for wanting to blow up things and serving a long period in jail is what Jesus was all about.

He failed to condemn his wife's brutal execution methods which included necklacing: putting a burning tire around a (usually black) victim's neck and setting it alight. This was called "necklacing".

Nelson Mandela obituary (Guardian newspaper, UK) :

“ . . . It has been long assumed that Mandela, in prison, would have strongly condemned necklacing. Indeed, it was reported, and widely believed, that after Winnie had raised the issue – in 1986, when she declared that South Africans would liberate themselves with matchboxes and tyres – her husband had summoned her to Pollsmoor prison, in Cape Town and reprimanded her for it. It has emerged, however, from a document that circulated among journalists and academics in South Africa, and which finally dribbled into print in 2005, that Mandela condoned his wife's statement. The document, the minutes of a meeting between Mandela, Winnie and Ayob inside Pollsmoor prison, said: "NM approved of WM's necklace speech. He said that it was a good thing as there has not been one black person who has attacked WM." ……”

Nelson Mandela was a leader of the African National Congress and formed its military wing called uMkhonto we Sizwe (means Spear of the Nation) or MK for short. The objective of the MK was to overthrow the apartheid regime by force and by killing of civilians in a terrorist style campaign. In reality, the ANC and MK’s “armed struggle” was more a People's War, against black rival organisations than against the apartheid system. They had a predetermined programme of violence, fear and propaganda to eliminate political rivals like AZAPO, the PAC and the Inkatha Freedom Party to establish themselves as the sole representative of black aspirations in South Africa.

Nelson’s planned campaign was to sabotage strategic state infrastructure (electric lines, rail lines etc) and to escalate into terrorist civilian bombing operations much like the IRA bombing in Northern Ireland. Civilians were the primary targets and then softer military/civilian admin targets. For example, station bombs, railway carriage bombs, shopping malls, restaurants, bars, discos, sports stadiums, post offices, law courts, schools, land mining farm roads, car bombs in crowded streets etc.

Nelson Mandela had amassed huge quantities of explosives, explosive devices such as limpid and land mines and hand grenades as well as weapons such as AK47’s. He had solicited military aid from the Soviet Union and its allies, and had sent “freedom fighters” to be trained in terrorist warfare.

Nelson Mandela wore two hats… one for the international press and another for the ANC and MK.

Contrary to popular conception, Nelson Mandela was not really sentenced for his political and anti-apartheid beliefs… but for planned insurrection against the state, treason, sabotage and possession of illegal explosives with intent to harm and kill. These charges carried the death sentence at the time, but the presiding judge at the Rivonia Trial (1963/4) commuted this to a life sentence in prison, instead of execution.

While Mandela was in prison, as the MK regained strength, his planned terrorist campaign (under his secret instructions/agreement) was put into effect and many civilians were killed. It must be noted that any leader who encourages and commands its militant members to kill unarmed non-combatant civilians, is guilty of war crimes even if not personally involved in the killings. For example, if a bomb is placed by a clandestine militant organization in a shopping mall where the intention is to indiscriminately kill innocent (non combatant) civilians, women and children then this is a crime and is in effect murder and the commander or leader even if not actually planting the bombs is also guilty of murder. If a bomb or hand grenade was thrown into a police station or military barrack, then this would also be deemed as terrorist activity but not necessarily a war crime. Killing or encouraging killing of one’s own citizens to coerce loyalty… like “necklacing” as a weapon of terror against civilians is murder.

Nelson Mandela had previously suggested that those black dissidents who were apposed to the ANC (during the struggle) should have their noses cut off. In the period between 1984 and 1989… 5000 blacks were murdered by ANC and MK. This was a period when the white run National Party was entertaining the idea of releasing Nelson Mandela and looking towards an end to apartheid. However in the period 1990 to 1994, when the doors of negotiation were flung open and an end to apartheid a reality… over 15 000 black on black political murders occurred and mainly between ANC and Zulu-led Inkatha Freedom Party in the struggle to be seen as the dominant black movement ahead of democratic elections.

Clearly Mandela should have hired Aaron Sherinian.

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> Clearly Mandela should have hired Aaron Sherinian.

This weird comment is in poor taste. Joking about it trivializes the genuine pain experienced by victims.

There's irony in that, one would think.

You appear in a single thread under four separate usernames, then trot out Sherinian and your other betes noires on virtually every one of your drive-by appearances and yet expect us to take you seriously.

I, for one, shall not.



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+ another 10

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Not much has changed in SA.

But back to the mistaken declaration of death, that sort of thing happens a lot. Coffins used to be equipped with a cord you could pull that would ring a bell to notify graveyard staff that you had been buried alive.

This could have been the case with Jesus. He looked dead, so they put him in the tomb. He awoke after a few days and took a stroll to get his head straight.

I'm not buying the premise. I have no memory of Nelson Mandela being reported as dead. That seems to be one of those urban legends like the bra-burning fantasy on another recent thread.

I was kind of paying attention to South Africa because of my time in Brazil. they paid pretty close attention to SA, because they were rather proud of the fact that they didn't have the racial problems as in SA or the US. Or at least their problems were not nearly as severe.

South African singer and activist Miriam Makeba was quite popular in Brazil when I was there in the late 1960s.

That's what makes the effect so interesting. It's like a glitch in the Matrix, like the time-line got reset.

Mandela may have been so important to Earth's development that a Dr Who like time lord or MIB changed history in a way that some of us remembered the old time-line and some of us didn't. I wasn't successfully neurolyzed.

This opens up the possibility that our history is constantly being tinkered with by time travelers. We worry about so many things, but as with the movie "12 Monkeys", most serious disasters are not allowed to formally occur.



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