I can't imagine going through what she did.

Mitchell's wife, Wanda Barzee, washed her feet and had her put on a robe.

-Smart said Mitchell entered the tent wearing a similar robe and married them by pulling a sentence from the traditional Mormon marriage ceremony, called a sealing.

"He said, 'What I seal on this earth will be sealed to me in the hereafter and I take you to be my wife,'" she said, adding that she screamed and he threatened to put duct tape across her mouth.

"He proceeded to fight me to the ground and force the robes up," Smart said quietly, pausing, "where he raped me."

"I begged him not to. I did everything I could to stop him. I pleaded with him not to touch me, but it didn't work."

Mitchell chained her to a table, making it impossible for her to flee, she said. -

I hope he rots in prison for a long, long time.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40074400/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/?GT1=43001

TG

Why would a loving Heavenly Father do that to someone?

Just wonderin'...

Ron

ExMormonRon Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Why would a loving Heavenly Father do that to
> someone?
>
> Just wonderin'...
>
> Ron


I wish I could follow Packer around and ask him that question every single time I hear a story about the suffering our loving heavenly father requires so many of us to endure. He'll rape and kill children, but he'd never allow anyone to be born gay. What a douche.

What, exactly, did this loving heavenly father DO?

I see no actions from the man upstairs. It's all Mitchell. God has nothing whatsoever to do with this situation.

When Packer said that homosexuality is a choice because Heavenly Father would never do that to someone. They edited that comment out because they realized that people could make connections to other things, like this, with that statement.

i.e.

"Heavenly Father would never allow a woman to be raped."
"Heavenly Father would never allow a child to be born with a disability."

Etc

And if Elizabeth's parents were wearing the magic underwear and paying tithing and doing their callings, how could their family member suffer so. Why would God choose her to be raped???? Throw that out when Mormons go on and on about that protective underwear!! Mormons are liars. Bad things can happen to anyone.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/09/2010 10:34PM by honestone.

This Mitchell individual is one sick freak.

I would invite everyone to a publick dick execution. I'd sever his dick and feed a pack of hungry dogs, let him watch dogs fighting over his dick & let him bleed for a while.

They do that exactly in Hostel 2. Hurts me just thinking about it..

No, no, no, no.... not that! Not by itself. Have his balls severed and fed to some chickens or pigs or whatever. THAT would be better, don't you think? Sever by letting the animals do it while we laugh at him and hit him every time he howls with pain.

And then let starving animals eat them.

Can't you all see that he's mentally sick? It comes from being a Stake High Council member.

He was insane and mentally ill. I would rather the juror considers him to be sane, calculating, and manipulative, and sentences him accordingly. If they decide he is mentally ill, he just spends the rest of his life in mental institutions, which as a sane, calculating, manipulative person in the mold of Joe Smith, he would prefer.

It's an excuse not a reason. Mitchell did what he wanted to do.
He is trying to mitigate his consequences by the insanity defense. I hope he gets maximum consequences.

I have occasionally stopped to give money to panhandlers on the streets of Salt Lake when I was alone or with other adults.
I would never stop and engage a weirdo stranger on the street if I had my little children with me.
The reason this explaination bugs me so much is that sometime after the abduction one of the Salt Lake News Stations reported that a handyman had worked for the Smarts and this set up had been through the LDS church social work services; as when the church finds work for members out of work.
I never heard this reported again, which made me question if I heard it correctly. But it did make more sense to me than an alone TBM mom with her children just stopping on a downtown street asking some stranger if he wanted to come to their house and do some handywork. How many TBM mormon mothers would do this? Most TBM moms would cross the street so they wouldn't have to get too close.
I would like to know exactly where this encounter happened and why Lois felt like doing something pretty unusual.

The other day I googled "polygamy, youtube", finding tons of "survivor" stories. In some the victims complained that the mainstream LDS church doesn't do much to aid those who have escaped. I was suprised by a clip of Elizabeth's father, where he said: "But we do want to help". I wondered if that was before or after the kidnapping.
Well, I'm gald she survived and I hope the church realises the "fruits" of JS and the damage D&C 132 has been done to so many people.

I wonder if Elizabeth Smart's dad's quote was from Banking On Heaven... I have that DVD, which is about polygamy, and he was interviewed for it. I don't remember everything he said, but I do recall that he said something about his ancestors being polygamists and how he turned out okay.

I'm not sure in which video I heard Smart saying this. I haven't watched the whole movie "Lifting the Veil of Polygamy, which is on youtube. It's very long, but I be sure to watch it.

Elizabeth Smart's Heavenly Father didn't do this to her, David Mitchell did.

Frankly pedophiles should have one of their nuts chopped off on a first offense, the other one chopped off on a second offense, and their heads chopped off on a third.

David Mitchell sounds totally crazy and like a bad person, but I've heard that someone who knew him personally said that he's been doing crazy stuff for a long time, and he knows exactly what he's doing.

I'm really not sure what Mormonism has to do with anything that happened to Elizabeth Mitchell, as it sounds like she did all the right things (except maybe try to escape, but she's justified in caring more about how her family would feel if she was killed), and I've heard some crazy things said about her, such as someone thinking her father paid David Mitchell to abduct her to bring attention to the church. I told this person that was crazy and asked if he was serious, and he said, "Yah! Of course!". This kind of thinking is so cynical and illogical that it's actually harmful to the cause of finding the truth in the church and in your own life. It seems to be more prevalent in things not only related to the church but to things in real life (politics, for instance), so we need to keep our heads when it comes to controversial things like this. While we've discovered the pitfalls of going too far one way here, we should also be aware of the pitfalls of going too far the other way.

Had Joseph Smith not invented mormonism, the saints would have never been persecuted (so-called) or made the trek to Utah. The MMM would have never occured, polygamous splinter groups would have never come about, the Hoffman murders don't happen and so-on. It should also be noted that entire lines of geneology would not exist which lessens to an imeasurable degree the possibility that Smart or Mitchell would ever be born, much less cross paths.

I always find it comical when folks suggest god likewise bears no responsibility in these matters. God created this mess for reasons unknown. You can bet your a** he's responsible.

If he exists, that is.

Timothy



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/10/2010 10:06AM by Timothy.

She is the epitome of a survivor! More power to her!
Kidnapped at gunpoint in the middle of the night and raped and tortured, and held as a hostage is no easy experience to survive but she's doing it with grace and dignity!!!

I don't know about anyone else, but I'd sure as hell do as I was told with a knife threatening me!!
I wonder if people know what it's like to be awakened in your sleep and threatened. I doubt it happens often, but I'll bet everyone cooperates!
Playing insane is such a sick ploy for a pedophile!

When I was 19 I was moved out and attending jr college. My roommate was mormon we went to church dances but I was starting to fade away from sunday meetings. One night I heard a loud noise that woke me from sleeping. I got out of bed to find out what the commotion was only to stumble over a kitchen chair that was in front of my door.

My roommate was on the phone and at first I am a little annoyed why she was being so loud in the middle of the night. Then I realized she was talking to 911. The patio door was left unlocked. A masked intruder with a knife had violated our home, entered her room and attempted to rape her. She had flesh wounds on her back and chest from where the blade was held to her. She was sleeping on her stomach and awoke to a man on top of her. He demanded she turn over and as she did she drew her legs up to her chest and threw him off. My name is Jo and she screamed my name as she flung him against the bedroom wall. That was what woke me up. We figure my androgynous first name scared off the would be rapist.

We were a few years older than Elizabeth. Just wanted to suggest you don't have to be cooperative. I have had a couple of other experiences but this was the closest to the Smart case. I do know when I was a child I was confused by whether to obey grown ups as I was taught or to resist. I resisted. ES is lucky to be alive. I don't wish to suggest she should have done anything different because things turned out better than loss of life. Just from personal experience it pays to keep a clear head and grab any oportunity to make a get away.

How scary! So glad nothing worse happened to you and your roommate!

Thankfully, you're here with us.

The first time I realised she was sexually assaulted was, when I read her bishop declared her being declared 'sexually pure" despite what happened to her. Duh? I also recalled that insulting statement of 'better to be dead than having ones innocence robbed. What if that happened to his wive/daughter/sister. I hope she reads that book and her brains kick in about that part.

The rotten filthy... words fail me.