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Posted by: Hugh Geoffens-Kaamm ( )
Date: September 17, 2010 12:19AM

Somewhere I heard that one of the early profits declared that the moon is inhabited by people who dress like Quakers. Does anyone on the board know who said this and if it's written down in anything "official"? J of D? or . . . ?

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Posted by: SilkRose ( )
Date: September 17, 2010 12:24AM

This is the exact (though not complete) text of an article in "The Young Woman's Journal", an LDS magazine of the 1890s. The article is dated "Feb 6, 1892".


"Nearly all the great discoveries of men in the last half century have, in one way or another, either directly or indirectly, contributed to prove Joseph Smith to be a Prophet.

As far back as 1837, I know that he said the moon was inhabited by men and women the same as this earth, and that they lived to a greater age than we do - that they live generally to near the age of a 1000 years.

He described the men as averaging near six feet in height, and dressing quite uniformly in something near the Quaker style.

In my Patriarchal blessing, given by the father of Joseph the Prophet, in Kirtland, 1837, I was told that I should preach the gospel before I was 21 years of age; that I should preach the gospel to the inhabitants upon the islands of the sea, and - to the inhabitants of the moon, even the planet you can now behold with your eyes.

The first two promises have been fulfilled, and the latter may be verified.

From the verification of two promises we may reasonably expect the third to be fulfilled also."

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"The inspiration of God caused men to hunt for a new continent until Columbus discovered it. Men have lost millions of dollars and hundreds of lives to find a country beyond the north pole; and they will yet find that country - a warm, fruitful country, inhabited by the ten tribes of Israel, a country divided by a river, on one side of which lives the half tribe of Manasseh, which is more numerous than all the others. So said the Prophet. At the same time he described the shape of the earth at the poles as being a rounded elongation, and drew a diagram of it in this form: "

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I'm aware of two articles that discuss this subject in Sunstone, Vol 7, No. 5, Sep/Oct 1982 by Van Hale and James B. Allen. I'll summarize:

1. Huntington himself did not hear Joseph Smith talk of moonmen, rather his 1881 journal entry quotes one Philo Dibble who did claim to hear JS say these things. "So at best the moonmen statement is a sensational, late, thirdhand reminiscence" (Van Hale, p. 14). There is no clear evidence linking Joseph Smith himself to the moonmen belief. But...

2. It can be established that Joseph Smith's brother, Hyrum Smith, and Brigham Young did believe that the moon was inhabited (as well as the sun). Further, a number of individuals did receive patriarchal blessings saying they would be missionaries on the moon. Brigham Young said

"Who can tell us of the inhabitants of this little planet that shines of an evening called the moon? ...when you inquire about the inhabitants of that sphere you find that the most learned are as ignorant in regard to them as the ignorant of their fellows. So it is in regard to the inhabitants of the sun. Do you think it is inhabited? I rather think it is. Do you think there is any life there? No question of it; it was not made in vain," (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 13, p. 271).
3. Actually, belief in moonmen was a common view held by many people late in the 19th century. There were serious books and newspaper accounts written on the subject. The astronomer William Herschel, who discovered the planet Uranus stated his belief in moonmen in 1780. German astronomer Gruithuisen announced in 1822 his discovery of a large lunar city. Richard Locke, a reporter for the New York Sun, in 1835 issued 6 purported summaries of John Herschel's (son of William) work with a new large telescope in Africa. Locke regaled the public with stories of lunar forests (38 species of trees), plants, lakes. Then herds of new animals, and in his last article winged flying moonmen who worshiped in a magnificent golden temple. These stories were admitted to be a hoax, but many people believed and belief in intelligent moon life continued for many years.

http://www.lds-mormon.com/moon.shtml

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Posted by: eddie ( )
Date: September 20, 2010 05:29AM

So much for a direct communication channel to some omniscient god.

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Posted by: Anonymous User ( )
Date: September 17, 2010 12:28AM

Joe Smith said it. Briggy the Piggy Young also confirmed it.

Who can tell us of the inhabitants of this little planet that shines of an evening, called the moon? ... when you inquire about the inhabitants of that sphere you find that the most learned are as ignorant in regard to them as the most ignorant of their fellows. So it is with regard to the inhabitants of the sun. Do you think it is inhabited? I rather think it is. Do you think there is any life there? No question of it; it was not made in vain." - Brigham Young, July 24, 1870, "Journal of Discourses", vol. 13, p. 271 a-b.

As far back as 1837, I know that he [Joseph Smith] said the moon was inhabited by men and women the same as this earth, and that they lived to a greater age than we do - that they live generally to near the age of a 1000 years. He described the men as averaging near six feet in height, and dressing quite uniformly in something near the Quaker style." - Oliver B. Huntington, Feb. 6, 1892, "Young Woman.s Journal", vol. 3, p. 263 b

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Posted by: luminouswatcher ( )
Date: September 17, 2010 12:42AM

President Obama really canceled NASA's constellation program. We were about to discover the colony on the moon and that would be proof positive that old Joe and Briggy are the real deal, and that would disrupt the divine plan, where you have to walk by faith, even when it looks like a bat crap crazy pathway.

O.K. I am not serious. I didn't want to write that, but an angel with a flaming sword told me to, but he had to use the "head" and isn't back yet. The landlord is going to be so pissed when he sees the carpet where he sat his sword down.

Oops, got to go, he just flushed.

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Posted by: Michaelm ( )
Date: September 20, 2010 08:42AM

There might be another twist to the moon men and Joseph Smith.

The Young Women's Journal claimed that Joseph Smith had said it as far back as 1837.

Joe might have been influenced by a hoax. In 1835 the New York Sun published a series of articles claiming that the astronomer John Herschel had found inhabitants on the moon. It was satire but many people thought it was real at first.

Seems to me that if Hinkley got taken by Hoffman's forgeries why not Joe by the New York Sun?

The stories can be read here:

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/moonhoax1.html

John Herschel's father was the astronomer William Herschel. William had said some pretty wild things:

“. . . finding that in [the Moon] there is a provision of light and heat; also in appearance, a soil proper for habitation fully as good as ours, if not perhaps better who can say that it is not extremely probable, nay beyond doubt, that there must be inhabitants on the Moon of some kind or other?”

“We need not hesitate to admit that the Sun is richly stored with inhabitants.”

William Herschel was poked fun at for his ideas. Its interesting that these ideas showed up with Joseph Smith and Brigham Young. Mormon prophets influenced by the fringe ideas of the time. What a concept!

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