As some of you know Draper and south Sandy have had "issues" in the past due to swinging groups and open marraiges. I was talking to my sister this morning about what she sees and knows regarding the subject and it is mindboggling.

She lives just below the new Draper temple. In her neighborhood, she can list, by name and house, those couples who are currently involved with or have been involved with the local swinging scene. Her best friend that lives across the street has mentioned that her husband wants to try it out but she's not too sure about it. Supposedly he works out at a health club nearby and a lot of the people there are really into it and they have offered this lady and her husband a "non-threatening" way to start off slow and see what they think. My sister didn't know what to say other than to remember her temple covenants.

Out of 12 households on their block 8 couples have either been involved in the swinging scene or had affairs with other neighbors. One lady, who lives 2 doors down from my sister, is a "personal massuese" and operates out of her home. She tells my sister about her regulars and how they are freaks that complain about their wives' "skills" and need someone to "assist" them with their needs. A majority of her clients live in their Stake and she goes to church on Sunday and pretends, just like everyone else involved in the lifestyle, that she is a TBM stay-at-home mom with 2 kids. Her husband is cool with it because she tapes every encounter and he enjoys watching her work and the extra $$ helps. Of those 8 couples mentioned earlier, 5 are going through a divorce or are separated.

She said that she and her husband have been approached by a few friends and while not openly asking if they were interested, it was clear where the conversation was headed if they were open to it. I asked her how she handles it when her friends are involved and she said that all she can do is feel sorry for the kids. She said that she thinks one of her neighbors writes a blog about their experiences with other couples and it creeps her out knowing her friend/neighbor publishes her sex life on her blog.

After our conversation I can't help to think about the phrase, "All is well in Zion."

What blows me away is that these people are supposedly TBM--how can they even remotely justify that this behavior is "Okay"?

(Yes, I'm convervative when it comes to things like this, so bear that in mind.)

Same goes for those TBMs who molest kids and download child porn. And those who commit affliation fraud.

I suppose it could come from a culture in which "the worthy" come to feel they are somehow entitled.

I'm so glad I'm out of this freaking cult. I wish I could get my spouse of it, too.

Maybe it's not that the worthy feel entitled, but that those people would be doing those kind of things anyway, yet they're under such pressure to fake TBM worthiness.

Not to be nitpicky, but consensual sex between adults is not even remotely close to the same category as child porn/molestation.

The first is ambiguous at best in regards to morality (especially in cases like this where the husband and wife agree on both sides), the second is non-consensual and permanently damaging in all ways.

+1

EXEMPTION,EXCEPTION,PRIVILEGE ( and secrets) for those who can attain it.

Just look at the POS who started MORmONISM. Look at Joe's MORmON God who can molest his mortal daughter to sire an earthly messiah and still claim to leave her virginity in tact despite the other wise massive contradiction.

EXEMPTION, EXCEPTION, PRIVILEGE, beyond reason, beyond sanity, beyond logic, beyond principle, beyond reality.

It's the ones who do this sort of thing and then plop their butts down in the judgement chair to let you know if your good enough to go to heaven or hell, that I have a problem with.

Hot Damn!

This is entertaining timing because I recently learned that there were 'recruiters' at the wine club my husband and I hosted at our house a couple months ago (we live in Draper)

I'm now stuck between wondering why we weren't good enough to be recruited (joking) and wondering if this is why I haven't seen or heard anything from the new couple up the street that I personally invited...

Yea. Kind of strange if you ask me. But she's not a traditonal massage therapist if you catch my drift. Her husband likes watching her in action with her clients. Don't ask me why or how but some people enjoy watching their spouse doing the nasty with strangers. He happens to be one of them.

OT: Love your moniker, SpongeBob.

we live across the miles in a liberal east coast state but quite frankly what we hear goes on in TBM circles in some UT communities totally curls our hair!

+1,000,0000!!!!

You would probably do yourself and those you love a huge favor to keep your sexual activities separated from groups like that. Here is the reason: Mormons are abysmally ignorant about parasites or sexually-transmitted diseases. They have no clue. CLUELESS. And that goes all the way from crabs to herpes to genital warts to syphilis to HIV.

For that reason alone, I would never ever have sex with a "swinging" Mormon.

As for that lady 2 doors down, well, it sounds like she's operating an unlicensed whorehouse.

"Mormons are abysmally ignorant about parasites ..."


The name "Joseph Smith" came immediately to mind.

My crabs can overpower theirs.

Definition of a TBM Swinger:

"Brother Jensen? Can you give my wife a ride home from Young Women's on Wednesday night? I have to take the boys camping that night."

"Sure, Brother Sorensen."

Sheesh,

Ron

Wow...I guess I shouldn't be surprised- repression does do odd things to folks after a while.

I heard about this Draper UT group several years ago, but I thought that these activities were put down, several people excommunicated, etc. I heard that the Stake President visited several wards and told the members that even if their spouse gave permission to have sex with someone else, it was still adultery.

Apparently it is still ongoing...

Swinging is "Polyamory" which Joseph's Myth restored.
Mormons figure it's just a matter of time before they start banging each others brains out in the big CK, so why not start now?
Can you imagine the SAHM running a whore house out of her house running into one of her John's at the Draper Temple, acting out the God part?

What is that?
The 5th token of the Priesthood.
Has it a name?
It has.
Can you give it to me?
I will through the viel.
Ohhh, what is that?
The 6th point of fellowship, the sign of the nail.
I'll give it to you.
Mind if I spank your ass while I slip in the sign of the nail! haha

Swinging is "Polyamory" which Joseph's Myth restored.
Mormons figure it's just a matter of time before they start banging each others brains out in the big CK, so why not start now?
Can you imagine the SAHM running a whore house out of her house running into one of her John's at the Draper Temple, acting out the God part?

Whore: What is that?
God: The 5th token of the Priesthood.
Whore: Has it a name?
God: It has.
Whore: Can you give it to me?
God: I will through the viel.
Whore: Ohhh, what is that?
God: The 6th point of fellowship, the sign of the nail.
Whore: Can you give it to me?
God: As long as I can spank your ass while I slip in the sign of the nail!

Swinging is "Polyamory" which Joseph's Myth restored.
Mormons figure it's just a matter of time before they start banging each others brains out in the big CK, so why not start now?
Can you imagine the SAHM running a whore house out of her house running into one of her John's at the Draper Temple, acting out the God part?

Whore: What is that?
God: The 5th token of the Priesthood.
Whore: Has it a name?
God: It has.
Whore: Can you give it to me?
God: I will through the viel.
Whore: Ohhh, what is that?
God: The 6th point of fellowship, the sign of the nail.
Whore: Can you give it to me?
God: As long as I can spank your ass while I slip in the sign of the nail!

I have to wonder if these are the same people who look down on premarital sex (which I think is far healthier.) My opinion is that young people in their late teens and early twenties should use that time to sow their wild oats, should they feel so inclined. Don't get married until you get the urge to roam out of your system. It generally makes for happier, more stable families in the long run.

Yeah, they are notorious. I'd heard about them even as a TBM. I agree with the comment that repression does odd things to folks after a while.

So does the teaching "any worthy man and woman can have a successful marriage if they marry in the temple and live the gospel." Because it teaches you not to value the individual but to teach that they are interchangeable, as long as they fit the required persona. The Draper group is an extreme of that but it's still that basic idea.

Also, I have a good friend who is a reputable massage therapist working in a chiropractor's office and I just hate women like your sister's neighbor. Not only do they give professionals a bad name by lying and taking on the name of masseuse when hooker is more appropriate, but that endangers reputable people by giving the impression that anyone going in for bodywork is going to give them a "happy ending." My friend has caught some crap because of women like the prostitute the OP described giving people the wrong impression of what to expect. I'd report her personally if I knew where she lived - I'm sure my friend could find out who in Utah to report her to and have her arrested.

I guess this is partially due to the fact that repression does odd things to folks...

I asked my brother who lives in Lehi about this, and he said he hadn't heard of it in Draper (he's never lived there), but has heard of it happening in Eagle Mountain, which is not far from Lehi.

I have heard this before on here. My brother is a bishop in that area. I have asked him, he says it is all BS. He would tell me if it was not, he likes to tell other stuff he has heard or hears. He said he feels safe telling me because I live in another country. I will ask again. But tome it is not true, just saying.

Your brother may not know about it but it is there. Several years ago some of my wife's TBM relatives were invited to join the group.

I think the church should continue to accept these individuals as faithful members, warts and all.

You know, you can't spell "Draper TBMs" without S-T-D.

"I loved your unique lesson on the laying on of hands, Sister Williams."

"Mmmm, yes. And you seem to have gone through the endowment session a couple of times, Brother Davies."

I wonder if "Fanny Alger" is code word for doggie style.

The dudes don't play Twister, they play Boyd K Fudge Packer.

History repeats itself. It's sooooooo like 1864 in this valley.

They're sexy and they know it...they work out.

If I lived in Draper, I'd be doing anything I could to break myself out of my depression.