Wow, I never cease to be amazed at the things I run across...

So, I was thinking there must be a Mormon connection to Bain Capital, since the Mos tend to work for each other in business. I did a google search, and all I can say is WOW. Yes, there appears to be a Mormon connention, as I thought. But, I had no idea to the depths of it.

Several sources tell of a story of how Howard Hughes was controlled by the "Mormon Mafia" late in life, specifically Frank William "Bill" Gay, and how this group controlled much of his empire in later years. Bill Gay is told to have swindled millions of dollars from Howard Hughes, while he was suffering from mental illness.

Bill Gay's son is Robert Christopher Gay, was a general authority in the church, as well as Managing Director of Bain Capital for several years. In addition, it has been claimed William Gay helped his son Robert take over four billion dollars illegally from Howard Hughes Medical Institute through the use of his company, Bain Capital, and derivatives contracts.

The evidence sure seems to imply that Bain is only in existence because of the fortune that was swindled from Hughes in his state of mental breakdown.

So, just as I thought - it appears that there indeed is a very deep Mormon connection. And that makes me very uneasy.

It goes deeper than we will ever know....

Texas Girl, do by any chance have the links you found for this information, I'd love to pass this on.

I also assume there is likely a connection between Harry Reid, Mormons and the mob over in Vegas. That has been written about by others.

the mob and LDS Inc were connected long before Harry Reid had anything to do with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es48nC0zhwA

Sure, I'll share the links. Will compile a list and post it later. Thanks.

Here are some links with more info-

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38771-Did-Mitt-Romney-s-Company-Bain-Capital-Plunder-Howard-Hughes-Estate..&s=1410bf73d9738676390b0e347cb1fbc2
http://www.moneyteachers.org/Mormonmafia.html
http://mittromney2012potus.blogspot.com/2012/03/who-is-robert-gay-and-why-romney.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_William_Gay
http://jeenyuscorner.com/2012/09/09/romney-links-to-death-squads-hughes-and-nixon-corruption-the-jeenyus-corner/

Wow, those sure seem like very professional, unbiased, fair and balanced news reports.

While it may all be true, I would put more credence in it if it was reported by CNN, Bloomberg, or even Perez Hilton.

I kind of thought that the point of this site was to deal with rational truth, as opposed to taking things on faith.

While it is true that the sources provided are flavored too much with hyped up conspiracy language, they do provide enough fodder, and enough doubt, to spur a real journalist to look deeper into the issue.

Under the management of Frank Gay, in his capacity as a Managing Director at Bain, Howard Hughes Medical Institute went from having assets of more than $5.2 billion after selling Hughes Airlines to having about $15.8 million in 2002. That's such a huge loss that it is hard to figure out how it could have occurred without some sort of Bain swindle. The massive dwindle took place on Romney's watch as President and CEO.

It looks likely to me that Frank Gay ripped off Hughes Medical and passed the money to Bain and to Robert Gay.

Just a note: how many of you knew right away, without being told, that if Romney closed a Bain office to look for a co-worker's daughter, said co-worker was mormon?

That right there tells you something. We know he wouldn't close a Bain office to look for a non-mormon.

The daughter evaded her parents to attend a rave. She was bought back to the mormon fold.

you mean Mr. Wonderful (R-money) did not just churn up all that money and that money churning business strictly on his own, out of the blue, with his good looks, charm and hard work ?

You mean Mr. WOnderful's success is really the result of insider connection, exploitation, and corruption, that he benefited from from as an insider ?

I AM SHOCKED !

This is not what Mr WOnderful and his half wit wife told me !!!!

" are you as good as the Romneys ?"

Bill Marriott Sep 2 2012

This is really interesting. I always felt there was something wrong with Romney.

was it the fact that Romney is really shallow,phony and flip flops like a trout out of water..... or was it something else that bothered you ?

Searching for Robert Gay's daughter is in the category of "helping mormons." This is the only category of stories that Romney has to present his supposed human side.

Can't put anything past those crafty Capitalists of Bain.

Who would be terribly surprised if the reason the older tax returns are being withheld is that abortion clinics were part of the investment portfolio?

Other than the fact that Mitt and Bob Gay were among the founders, Bain Capital has nothing to do with the Church (and certainly nothing to do with Howard Hughes). Bain is one of the largest and most respected private equity funds in the world. There is nothing inherently evil about private equity folks. If any of you are teachers then there this a good chance that a portion of your pension fund is invested in Bain Capital.

The connection is that Bain has hired a bunch of Mormons, no doubt since Mitt was at the helm. So in a sense it's kind of a Mormon firm, although not totally of course.

Deep Mormon connection? From your links and your description I see nothing of the kind.

The theory claims that Romney is an unethical businessman. I think we already knew that.

It also claims that Mormons hire other Mormons. Nepotism isn't new and pretty much every group on the planet will view members of their own group more favorably.

If by "deep Mormon connection" you mean that there was a group of rich Mormons who acted unethically and possibly illegal to try and make money then I am underwhelmed by this conspiracy theory. If you mean that there is a connection with the upper leadership of the church I am still slightly underwhelmed, but doubtful since the Mormon church has ridiculous amounts of money and don't need to risk exposing themselves like this to get any more.

I love conspiracy theories and those who spin them. This feels as unsubstantiated as every other one that I've ever read about. The only problem I have is trying to understand why this is a conspiracy theory to begin with.

snb Wrote:
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> If by "deep Mormon connection" you mean that there
> was a group of rich Mormons who acted unethically
> and possibly illegal to try and make money then I
> am underwhelmed by this conspiracy theory. If you
> mean that there is a connection with the upper
> leadership of the church I am still slightly
> underwhelmed, but doubtful since the Mormon church
> has ridiculous amounts of money and don't need to
> risk exposing themselves like this to get any
> more.

yah! LDS INC/ the MORmON church would not do THAT!
..... just to get more money.... cause they already have tons of money! that they don't need more of! (except that's exactly like what LDS INC did with their Beneficial company that they ended up bankrupting)

This makes no sense.

"This makes no sense."

Were you speaking of your own attempted analysis? in that case you turned out to be correct!

Otherwise, it was sarcasm/ mockery of your attempted analysis -which was the thing that really did not "make sense" when it was stacked up against reality. The stuff in the parenthesis was a mention of the reality that showed you were wrong.

You said that LDS Inc would not take unnecessary risk to get more financial gain because they already have tons of money,
so they did not need more *THAT* badly. That was your theory.... that did not /"make sense", because it was WRONG, because LDS INC IS so greedy that it turns out that taking unnecessary risk is exactly what they did as they bankrupted their Beneficial Financial company. SO much for your theory that LDS Inc is not *THAT* greedy.

(This probably STILL does not make sense to you. There is probably a lot of things that don't make sense to you.)

<sings>Go lucky, it's yer birthday!

Most Mormons are unethical, so are many Ex-Mormons

Are you kidding? No Mormon connection?

On the company payroll of Huntsman Gay Global Capital is Jon Huntsman Sr., a former GA, Steve Young, a Bishop, and former Bain Capital Managing Director Robert Gay, who is a CURRENT GA.

You are just another TRUTHER! JFK was killed by an Alien, Lincoln by a time traveler, and the Twin Towers was an inside job.

Howard Hughes was hemmorhaging money when he died. His overhead was out of control and he had almost nothing to do with managing his assets towards the end of his life.

Mormon mafia? I'm sure the Italian mafia would disagree with your assessment.

Bain is way too hard and complex for you to understand. Equity firms make money by investing...Hughes begged for investment money.

Pull your head out!

Non-Mormom Wrote:
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>
> Mormon mafia? I'm sure the Italian mafia would
> disagree with your assessment.
(Hughes, maybe not intentionally, initiated the downfall of the mob in Vegas, corporatizing the casinos and squeezing the mob influence out.)


>
> Bain is way too hard and complex for you to
> understand.
This is always a red flag. Kind of like the derivatives that destroyed the housing market.

Equity firms make money by
> investing...Hughes begged for investment money.
So are your lip prints on Romney's ass each night or does he wipe them off.


His Mormon enablers could have at least gave him a priesthood blessing, or some tough love but they liked the security of a big paycheck and did not want to stand for anything. So if Howard wanted to spend the final years of his life doped up on codeine and malnourished what concern was it to the priesthood boys. Howard was not one of them. The stupid gentile deserved what he got.

> Bain is way too hard and complex for you to
> understand.

Stealing is stealing -its easy to understand, unless a person is a MORmON, then once stealing is mislabeled as "tithing" MORmONS become hopelessly confused.


> Equity firms make money by
> investing...Hughes begged for investment money.

The money was moving in the opposite direction as the direction you indicate, a simple detail that was "way too hard and complex for you to understand" ..... or get right.

Did you even read the article before you were busy posting your *enlightened* commentary? Then again, would it have made any difference?

> Pull your head out!

Learn to take your own advice, and BTW it will be much easier if you are not trying so hard to $ hit backwards.

Can't believe my original post is still inciting ire in people. I'm over it. None of us will ever know the 100% true story.

When I was looking up Bain, I was mainly looking to see if it was a bunch of Mormons hiring Mormons - which I found was totally true. I stumbed across the other surprising stuff and made the bad decision to post "conspiracy websites".

For the record, no one on this board can say whether or not those allegations are true. And, whatever you believe, you are entitled to believe that.

I'm a tad tired of people roasting me over this. Wished I had logged in so that I could delete the original post.

Peace out.

Aw, Texas girl, don't worry about the naysayers. It takes some time to deprogram and realize yes this is an insidious cult capable of doing insidious things. You're right, no one can prove this. But you won't get any roasting from me. I, for one, have stared evil in it's Mormon face, and I understand all too well that some people will do anything I mean anything for control/power. Whether or not we can prove it. Masons, a secret society, are all over our government. Mormons are far more Mason than Christian. It's not that hard to understand that a Mormon Mafia would be secret as well.

P.S. snb thinks Mormonism is Disneyland so don't worry about him. And the other two doubters either are too pansy to use their screen name, aren't/haven't been Mormon, or are in love with sociopath Romney. They're not the picture of credibility, my dear.



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When I was attending the BY, I had roommates who were sons of well connected people in the Hughes organization. I saw things and heard things that indicated that the Hughes organization mined BYU for recruits. The Hughes/mormon connection was indeed strong. And some of the stuff I saw had all the earmarks of covert activity and high level maneuvering.
I would not be the least bit surprised if the remarks by the OP were spot on...

Texas girl Wrote:
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> I'm a tad tired of people roasting me over this.
> Wished I had logged in so that I could delete the
> original post.

I, for one, am very glad that you did not delete the original post, because I opened the links you provided, read the articles, and found them to be very insightful. I could have thanked you, but I was too preoccupied with being (more) ticked off at (PHONY P OS) R-money, so here is my thanks to you now.

There are things that I do know. Between the theories of R-money actually earning his fortune by his actual smarts & actual hard work, versus R-money getting his fortune by inheriting it and using his insider connections to hook up with other connected ppl to further rip off existing fortunes, I know which theory clearly prevails, because I also know that R-money never struck oil, or cured cancer,or invented the laser beam or transistor or anything like that which would entail legitimately amassing a lot of wealth. If he had, then we would never hear the end of it. So, the money that R-money has, had to come from somewhere, and if he did not earn it, then he had to steal it.


yes, you were attacked here, by what appears to be spooks, and by some who frankly have very poor reputation/ credibility as ex mormons despite their insistence that they really are no longer Mormons, in short by people who are really stupid, who would not be able to connect the dots, and who take that inability of theirs as another sign of their brilliance.

Keep your head up.