And "MY HEART" aches when I see GAs enriching themselves with fabulous homes, etc. at the expense of their members, many of which who can ill afford to make contributions to TSCC.
It has a bit of truth to it. The problem is, as someone brought up in a thread, is that Mormon couple goes to buy first home, they write down their income and expenses, never mentioning tithing or other church related fees, or that the wife is expected to quit her job the second she gets pregnant, and the loan officer approves them for a reasonable loan on a reasonable home that a non-Mormon couple could easily swing without the burden of having con artist rip them off every month.
But I am quite sure his heart [?} feels lots better when they are paying a full tithing PLUS to the cult, and living in a tiny hovel. {This is what we did] And using secondhand furtiture and no tv, but giving piles of money to the cult!!! Oh, and eating beans and stale thrift store bread, but GIVING MONEY TO THE CULT!!!!
I've been watching a lot of shows on hulu lately about people buying and selling homes (My First Place, House Hunters, My First Sale, etc. I think they're all from HGTV) and it blows my mind the way these young couples have no concept of a "starter home" anymore.
Everybody feels entitled to stainless steel appliances and granite countertops in their kitchens. They all want top-of-the-line everything.
At first, I was just watching people buying homes and thought they were just choosing wealthier people to be on the show.
Then I started watching the shows about people selling their first home. Unbelievable. People who have been in the same house for 5-10 years still owe almost the entire original purchase price on it, or sometimes even more because they borrowed money to upgrade everything.
And in many places, the market has changed and the homes are worth a little less now than they were a few years ago. So now these people are in upside down mortgages, owing more than the house is currently worth.
So it's not just a Mormon problem, but I can definitely see how the emphasis on at-home moms, lots of kids, and looking good on the outside could all make it even worse for Mormons.
you're right. I watch all of those shows too. "I can't live here, that color on the walls is just awful!" Well fucking paint it lazy ass! But no, they just leave and look for a different house. It's really annoying.
You're right, to an extent. One big problem is the total lack of quality starter homes on the market. By quality, I don't mean marble floors, and expensive chandeliers, but a good modest home of recent construction, that is going to gain value if you take care of it, rather then depreciate. Your only choices in my neck of the woods is a mini-mansion, or a twenty year old trailer.
exrldsgirl Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I've been watching a lot of shows on hulu lately > about people buying and selling homes (My First > Place, House Hunters, My First Sale, etc. I think > they're all from HGTV) and it blows my mind the > way these young couples have no concept of a > "starter home" anymore. > > Everybody feels entitled to stainless steel > appliances and granite countertops in their > kitchens. They all want top-of-the-line > everything. > > At first, I was just watching people buying homes > and thought they were just choosing wealthier > people to be on the show. > > Then I started watching the shows about people > selling their first home. Unbelievable. People > who have been in the same house for 5-10 years > still owe almost the entire original purchase > price on it, or sometimes even more because they > borrowed money to upgrade everything. > > And in many places, the market has changed and the > homes are worth a little less now than they were a > few years ago. So now these people are in upside > down mortgages, owing more than the house is > currently worth. > > So it's not just a Mormon problem, but I can > definitely see how the emphasis on at-home moms, > lots of kids, and looking good on the outside > could all make it even worse for Mormons.
"Everybody" doesn't feel entitled to stainless steel appliances and the rest. The people on the shows say they feel so entitled. That makes for good (I guess) television. The producers purposely set up conflicts and then "allow" the television audience to participate in the problem-solving process. Some viewers find this really, really important.
As far as L. Tom: he is doing the usual Mormon thing of setting up a false dichotomy, the solution to which is (of course) to be found in Mormonism (I guess). This makes people like L. Tom feel really, really important.
Come off it. Most first-time home buyers carefully work out their financial situations before they sign for a house. Of course there are exceptions. And the other posters are right in saying that all homebuyers could afford a better standard of living without paying tithing. And the G-15 would set a fine example by relying on their own devices to pay for their houses and lifestyle.
Maybe L.Tom could ease his heartache by reviewing the speeches given at General Conference which imply that countless financial blessings come from paying tithing.
Perhaps that newlywed couple has completely bought what L.Tom and his buddies have been spewing. Knowing they are faithful and sincere, knowing they have paid every cent of their tithing, they just "know" with every fiber of their being that god is going to reward them with financial prosperity.
After all, the Brethren told then that if they obey the laws and commandments, and if they fulfill the ordinances of the gospel, marry in the right place at the right time, and all the other 600 rules, GOD IS BOUND. Yesiree, they can BIND god to his promises.
The newlyweds swallow the whole egomaniacal gods-in-embryo power trip and when they act on their faith, well, it just hurts L.Tom Perry's heart.
He has the GALL to blame the believers of the foolishness he and his limousine-riding, elite Royal Brethren have been putting out.
May they all rot in the hell they so richly deserve.
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My heart aches when i see a young couple that has far more kids than they can afford to house, feed, and clothe adequately. Follow the profit, have a load of kids you can't afford while giving ten percent of your meager, single income.
I don't where these fictive couples are that he's talking about, but they sure aren't living in Happy Valley.
What "newlyweds" can even AFFORD to buy a home since 2008? How the h#!! would they even qualify in today's market unless they are a dual-income couple with degrees, good jobs, and a couple years work experience (exactly what the "Plan of Misery" says you should NOT do)?
Moreover, with the average student debt load most people have when graduating, they still probably wouldn't get into any kind of upscale house (not along the Wasatch Front, anyway, where, according to builder.com, only 1,482 new homes were sold in Provo during all of 2012, and the average mortgage size has increased nearly 20% over the past year to $234,231 -- on top of an 18% price increase the year before that. What kind of newlyweds can afford this kind of financial rape?).
And then there's the "latest furnishings on borrowed money." Perry doesn't spend much time on craigslist or ksl.com, or trolling yard sales in BYU housing, does he? If he did, he would know that that's where most local newlyweds are getting their furniture -- if they have any.
I know plenty of newlyweds here in Utah Valley, and they all live in apartments or basements (or their in-law's basements) for the first few years -- maybe until they have a couple of kids. Heck, I have some friends who have four kids and are still living in his parents' basement even though they both work. Because they went the Mormon route, they got married as soon as he returned from his mission. He is just now graduating from college; she has been working to put him through while they cranked out the four kids in seven years.
This isn't the go-go housing/credit market of the 80s, 90s, or even early 2000s. I think Perry (like most of TSCC's leaders) is living some time in the foggy past and totally out-of-touch with reality -- and he's doing it on somebody else's money.
In the 70s I remember the brethern and the local news lamenting how couples were buying new homes and they weren't starter homes.
There weren't that many 'starter' homes and if there were, they were about the same price as the 'new homes'. People who could qualify for a house loan apparently bought the 'new' homes.
Then there was a huge crunch or shoratage of homes for families during the Reagan years. He signed a bill that said you could not refuse to rent to people who had children.
Too many apartments and houses were for "adults" only. The way the housing market got around that was to build only two bedroom units.
So if you have a family with Mom and DAd with a Boy and a Girl you MUST rent a Three bedroom because brother and sister cannot share a room. Nor is Mom and Dad allowed to sleep in the living room on the hide-a-bed couch and let the kids have the bed rooms.
The way my parents were able to have a house with three kids and two bedrooms was the hide-a-bed in the living room and the kids in the bed rooms. but they BOUGHT the little house, they didn't rent it.
So a single Mom with four children, three boys, one girl can only rent a three bedroom. It is required by LAW. So she signs up for "affordable" housing. When it comes through, it is a beat up three bedroom twenty miles away in a little town far from her work! So she turns it down, now she gets dropped to the bottom of the list!
Government subsidised housing... you'd be surprised who needs it, but doesn't quailfy!
Housing is tough.
Then the fact that the "Bob Hope Generation" or WWII, did not die in their 60s. They died in their late 80s. So their houses did not come on the market until the next generation had already raised their kids!
So this 'starter' home is hard to find, and you sure can't pay for one on a slightly higher than min. wage with only ONE bread earned in the home!
Then Mr. Perry, those who are in the little modest house, or trailer with their DI/yardsale furniture....they are scorned and looked down on at TSCC and given the junk jobs, never leadership while the church takes their tithing!
All this while doing what the TSCC says is 'righteous"; stay at home Mom, popping out four kids!