Once a month my BIC, TBM Ex sends me a check. It is always carefully concealed in a used print out from their desk. Each month I discover a little more about what's going on in their life, from hobbies, to medical issues, etc. Har Har :-) Well, this month was part of a recent older teen class or G.D. lesson that this person taught. It's page four, and the winding up of the lesson.

Here is is as printed out, with the capital letters where used.

---"we can pay as we go. We do not have to borrow anymore, and we won't have to if the Latterday Saints continue to live their religion and observe this law of tithing."


QUESTION #1

WHAT CAN WE LEARN FROM PRESIDENT SNOW'S WILLINGNESS TO TRAVEL TO ST. GEORGE AND THE PEOPLE'S READINESS TO OBEY THE LAW OF TITHING?

1. The Lord is faithful to those who obey the commandments.

2. Paying tithing brings forth both spiritual and temporal blessings

HANG SIGN #3

THE LAW OF TITHING IS EASY TO UNDERSTAND AND CAN BE OBEYED BY ALL.

The law of tithing is not a difficult law. If a person receives $10.00 he pays $1.00. $100.00 he pays $10.00 $1.00 he pays 10c. It is a simple 10%. It is easy to comprehend. There is no man or woman who CANNOT pay 1/10th.



The time is now yours RFM readers.

I've thought about that one a lot. I couldn't afford tithing even if I really, really wanted to pay it. As a single school teacher, I'm not impoverished, but neither do I lead a lavish lifestyle. Much of my income goes toward basic living expenses, including my mortgage, utilities, and other bills. I could not pay tithing on either gross or net income.

If I join a church again (and I might,) I will be paying approximately ONE percent of my income. Not ten percent. Because I have determined that one percent is a fair and reasonable amount for me to contribute.

Tithing is the Lord's flat tax system. If one is poor to middle class, tithing means the difference between eating and not eating, or the difference between working til one is dead and retiring at 60. For the extremely wealthy, tithing is no sacrifice at all.

A few years ago I got a $33,000 student loan repayment benefit.
It went directly to my creditor, taxes withheld.
My salary after taxes and tithing was, coincidentally, roughly 10% that amount, for easy math's sake I'll round to $3,300 per month.

So, how should I pay tithing?

1. I can pay all at once and gut my budget for a month...not an option. I had bills to pay.

2. I can owe the church and make installment payments. If I paid almost double tithing, I'd pay of my "debt" in a year.

Therein lies a kink in the church's definition of "increase". I'm no bible believer, but IMO biblical tithing meant 10% of profits, not 10% of gross income. 10% of gross means you can, and sometimes do, incur a tithing DEBT on un-liquidated income or assets.
Any system in which you can incur an involuntary tithing debt can't be right.

amos2 Wrote:
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> Therein lies a kink in the church's definition of
> "increase". I'm no bible believer, but IMO
> biblical tithing meant 10% of profits, not 10% of
> gross income. 10% of gross means you can, and
> sometimes do, incur a tithing DEBT on
> un-liquidated income or assets.
> Any system in which you can incur an involuntary
> tithing debt can't be right.


Any competent accountant can tell you what a financial "increase" is. It is an increase in net worth. The definition has never changed.

Buy a copy of Quickbooks, or Peachtree Accounting, or similar, and use it for your personal finances. It will automatically calculate your "increase" each year.

Nevin Pratt

And how condescending, like people can't figure out what ten percent amounts to.

My Ex made this copy from a lesson manual. The placement of the all capital letters is very high pressure manipulation.

I'd sure like to see how much mormons would pay if they didn't get a tax deduction.

I can financially afford to pay tithing - no problem. But what I can't afford is the damage it does to my soul to hand over to the Mormon Mafia the money they demand, without questioning where it is going. They demand more than money. They demand you bury your integrity, your intellect and your free agency to give where you are inspired to give. They want ten percent of your ability to CARE about others. That price was too great for me. And the price I paid in regret, once I learned where the money actually was going is a whole other story ...

The LYING POS MORmONS just can not tell the truth about this deal either.


WHY did the MORmON saints stop paying tithing?

-Because MORmON PRofit Brigham YOung had told them to. Brigham Young suspended MORmON *tithing* to give the MORmON saints and the busted zion Utah economy a break after Brigham Young's disastrous dealings with the trans continental rail road.

Sure the LYING POS LDS INC PR dept made a movie about Snow going to St George to coerce the MORmON members back into dues paying submission. but you don't hear the back story or anything from them about why the MORmON children of Hell had stopped paying their MORmON dues en mass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwkFavjPsdE

But there is certainly a cult that refuses to pay/give 1/10th. #Hypocrisy

Good point! Why don't the members ask the Mormon leaders to tithe 10% from the cult's own coffers? The cult and its leaders have never lived up to its own tenets, and certainly not up to the standards of Christianity.

The Mormon church should set the example and give 10%. Not for malls, resorts, a cattle ranch, land-grabs, real estate developments, Madison Avenue advertising firms, and its own leaders--but to the sick, starving, and needy in the world. It is so simple. An income of $50,000,000.00 a year, means a tithing of....

But there certainly are those who WILL NOT! And I am one.

I sold a house. The bishop had the nerve to ask me if I was going to pay tithing on it.

I told him no. I had actually lost money, not gained. Even though I sold the house for more than I'd paid for it, I had to replace it. Replacement cost me more. Therefore, I not only wasn't paying tithing on the last house, I was deducting the extra cost of the next one from my tithing bill. That seemed to close the subject.

Those stupid F-ing con man lying geezers will NEVER see another DIME from me. I refuse to give money to a lie that causes harm, LOTS of harm.

I wish my husband could understand this...he will pay until he dies.

I need an organ transplant and am trying to save all I can towards that goal.

A few years ago the State Patriarch's DIL needed the same type of transplant and letters went out to the entire Stake imploring people to get tested and donate money.

I on the other hand, "Obviously wasn't holding up God's standards" when I got the EXACT same condition.

According to the OT, tithes are the FINAL 10 10% (not the first), tithes are to be paid to the Levite priests (Know any of those? Give your money to them...oh yeah, they don't exist any more...). Unlike sacrifices, tithes did NOT have to be spotless or perfect. Which explains why you can tithe on ill-gotten gains.LOL But, basically, you could give the runt of the litter to the priests...only sacrifices had to be spotless.

Do you think the Bishop would accept the crocheted toilet roll cover my aunt made, as a tithe? God, I'm so glad I'm out...

aft Wrote:
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> I need an organ transplant and am trying to save
> all I can towards that goal.
>
> A few years ago the State Patriarch's DIL needed
> the same type of transplant and letters went out
> to the entire Stake imploring people to get tested
> and donate money.
>
> I on the other hand, "Obviously wasn't holding up
> God's standards" when I got the EXACT same
> condition.
>
> According to the OT, tithes are the FINAL 10 10%
> (not the first), tithes are to be paid to the
> Levite priests (Know any of those? Give your
> money to them...oh yeah, they don't exist any
> more...). Unlike sacrifices, tithes did NOT have
> to be spotless or perfect. Which explains why you
> can tithe on ill-gotten gains.LOL But, basically,
> you could give the runt of the litter to the
> priests...only sacrifices had to be spotless.
>
> Do you think the Bishop would accept the crocheted
> toilet roll cover my aunt made, as a tithe? God,
> I'm so glad I'm out...

Your experience mirrors an event many years ago, in St. Louis. Maybe some of you were from there? In the mid-sixties? Anyway: the Stake President's child contracted menigitis, IIRC. The whole stake was invited to fast and pray, and the child recovered. A few months later the child of a new convert/ward clerk also contracted meningitis. The parents requested a similar stake-wide fast/prayer. Request denied. Child died.

Knock yourself out
http://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=28207

Hi all,

Starting my own business really opened my eyes. If I ever pay tithing again (to any church) it will be 10% of my increase ie profit; not operating expenses.

If I choose to spend money in a calling or shuttling people around then I will deduct this before working out my profit from which to pay 10%.

Paying on net or gross is wrong. $100 (for sake of argument) a month might be the difference between paying the mortgage or not. It's clear 10% of increase should be based on profit, like a business. I believe that this would be an honest tithe.

X

How about WILL NOT?

This woman would refuse to fork over one red cent.Even if I could afford it which I can't. Never would I pay a bunch of $ to those ÐØƱȻĦƐβ@₲$!