I recall, in bishopric or ward council, when a report would come up that some "less active" person wanted to resign, that the bishop would instruct the missionary or EQP to have the person write the bishop a letter. The bishop didn't seem to care too much. He just wanted documentation to move forward with. Local bishops, from what I've seen, will usually not try to force the issue o
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That's wild news. There were a number of local leaders in my Texas ward who went to BYU and who loved following and talking about BYU sports, especially football. I can't imagine that a decision to eliminate college sports at BYU would be well received by the members. The church would be better off changing more drastic parts of doctrine than to do that.
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This topic has come up before in the exmormon community, but it's not a widely discussed one and I've been thinking about how useful and life-affirming it would be, given that my daughter has now written a powerful memoir of her entrance and exit from the church, sharing incredibly heart-breaking ironies and behaviors performed by (one presumes) well-meaning but entirely blinkered and self-defeat
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I left the church eight years ago. This is likely my final statement on the matter. Initially, I started being dissatisfied with how much of my time and freedom were being sucked up by the church. More and more responsibility in the church came my way. I served and I served, and the church kept ratcheting up demands for my commitment. I wanted to do good, to belong and be accepted, to do my bi
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Good stuff. At first I thought I was reading an article from The Onion.
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There are advantages to women in having their men church-broke and easily brought to heel by the church. Women have been playing on men's egos for power, support, and security since the beginning of humanity, and the church feeds that: Men get to strut around with their "priesthood" like exhausted idiots, and women get a more stable situation for raising a family, having a home, maintai
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anointedone Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Lying deceivers fleecing the gullible and for some > of us it is our family members who are in their > trap. I'd put a sharper point on that "some of us." For most of us, the whole emphasis of the LDS church is on "our family members" staying in the "trap." The number of ex
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Good for you man. You've opened your life to greater, more real adventures and possibility outside the tiny tipsy tent of Mormonism.
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I'm embarrassed about the temple--embarrassed I went through it; embarrassed about how silly and goofy it is. I mean really. The temple is too much of a joke to be sacred. If I ever went back to church, I could never stomach the temple. I can't imagine wasting time there. Just mind numbing boredom. The LDS church should just open up the temples, like the CoC does. Make them real, open, authe
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"Both my parents have multiple decendants who crossed the prairies with various handcart and wagon expeditions to get to Utah, so they're both invested in that regard." The multi-generational scam. Think of the scope here: If I can fool someone with a sham religion, then that person and his or her descendents will be my bitches in perpetuity. They're invested.
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You came home! :D
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I wonder if the two are the same to TBMs. I remember an Exed Bishop (for adultery) who kept showing up to church every so often. The contempt for him was thick, and he was pathetic in still coming to church, trying to associate with these anuses that called themselves Christians. The only resigned or wanting-to-resign people I knew were inactives. We'd get a report that someone wanted to r
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Lead with love. Always. Unconditionally. Unless she gives you a clear, obvious opening, forget reasoning with her, plying her with "evidence," and never be aggressive or obsessive about it. Ping-pong balls of intellect mean nothing to three inches of emotional titanium alloy armor. Just work to support her, support the marriage, be a great father and husband. Be someone she can look
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Nothing in the Constitution exactly about the right to resign from a religion, but I kept reminding myself, as a disaffected member, of freedom of association. I can associate as an American with whom I wish as long they aren't enemies of the state. If I hang out with enemies of the state, I could be accused and be guilty of treason. From the useful Mormonnomore site, linked in other posts on
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n/t
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Glad you saw the light and gtfo.
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What a tongue bath Margaret is getting for her little article. Holy effing christmas. What pisses me off most about this sort of thing--and I commented over at Mormon Stories where Joni's article went up and then had to be cut up and spliced with commentary for fair use--the way these wonderful Mormons--not Joni, she's a bit of a pig--talk so easily about forgiveness, charity, the Atonement.
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Yeah, amos2. *chuckle* It's mind-boggling.
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I remember thinking the same thing. A missionary was like some sort silver bullet that would make inactives see the light and get into gear.
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topper
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Took me about 20 years to learn how to masturbate my DW, tweak those nipples, lash that bale, rub and rub and make her sail!
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I did that. There's no way in hell I'd pay for my son to go on a two-year brainwashing sales trip for the LDS church. And BG--yeah, I've been very clear about that. I view his going as his leaving for the military--I want him to be safe, to know that we are here for him if he needs anything. Amazing how weak and misguided one's dad is when one is 18-22, but then how smart old dad can turn
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Women who wear socks have more organisms.
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Interesting moment attempting to communicate with my 20-year old son, soon to leave on a mission: I mentioned that I'd been reading about the WoW at the LDS friendly site, Wheatandtares: http://www.wheatandtares.org/8141/if-i-were-in-charge-revisit-the-word-of-wisdom-including-obedience-and-obesity/. Discussing this post with him and the attendant thread, I noted, merely observed, mind you
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Love the book, can't stand the author. Very meh about the movie. The book was one of my first loves of sci-fi novels, up there with Starship Troopers (Heinlein), The Foundation series (Asimov), Startide Rising (Brin), and Hyperion (Dan Simmons).
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What about non-Mormons who teach there? They still allow non-Mormons on the faculty, right? Do non-Mormon faculty have to follow the no beard code or other parts of the dress code?
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My son is going on a mission soon and he's been prepped with the restricted geography theory of the BoM. I was astonished to hear him talk confidently about it and with the wild eyes and enthusiasm of a believer. "It explains everything." @@
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I think they do it because of family, ancestors, cultural commitments, and because they happen to have and believe in the good memories they have had of being in the LDS church and being raised in its culture. They see it still as a good thing. They don't want to give up the community. Of course, once its supernatural foundations are seen as bogus, there really isn't anything there other than the
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bump
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"We aren't adult enough to look at the morg, review all the evidence, and come to the conclusion that it's a crockpot full of toxicity and mendacity." Well said. That's where the patronizing comes in. You and Anagrammy have helped me put my finger on why this guy got under my skin. The balls. The sheer balls of, on the one hand telling exmos that they can't trust their own brains. Th
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