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28 days ago
invinoveritas
fCould millions of Mormons possibly be wrong? My hypothesis to you is YES---they could be wrong, every single one of them. How many flies are in the world, and look at what they eat. No Sir, I’m not buying a single morsel of it—Gold Plates, Prophecy, Polygamy, and all. If you were born in India you are probably Hindu, born in America probably Christian, born in Pakistan probably Musl
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3 years ago
invinoveritas
Religious people do NOT reconcile anything. Whatever they believe is true, no matter what.
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3 years ago
invinoveritas
The people have no bread, then "Let them eat cake". Marie probably never really said this, but the quote is attributed to her anyway. I think the whole revolution of France thing started there, a complete lack of understanding and empathy and totally out of touch with the poverty of the populace. Today, Ivanka said, if the people have lost their job, "find something new".
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3 years ago
invinoveritas
The Rolls Royce Hood ornament, great! It is known as the "Spirit of Ecstasy" and has angel wings, and the car is associated with persons of high economical standing, and there is something strikingly similar to the icon. The first 7 presidents of the church were polygamists (I mean "prophet, seer, and revelator). I guess it could be appropriate to use the word ecstasy at cer
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3 years ago
invinoveritas
Yes, you are spreading lies. One needs to be able to tell the difference between Sh*t and Shinola! There are way too many folks in the American electorate who don’t seem to have that ability. Just saying!
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3 years ago
invinoveritas
Rum and diet coke. Felt like I was in third grade again watching John Glenn takeoff when they rolled in a black and white TV on a high roller stand. Great stuff watching America and Nasa/SpaceX team launch astronauts today, again, and finally after nearly a decade. The Mercury capsule orbital flights were launched with the Atlas rocket and the Gemini flights were launched with the Gemini,
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3 years ago
invinoveritas
Great story that Animal Farm. Everyone should read it. Another allegory that can be drawn from the book: Everybody is equal, but some of us are more equal than others! Not only is that true in the "Church" but many places elsewhere.
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3 years ago
invinoveritas
Epicurus' trilemma If God is unable to prevent evil, then he is not all-powerful. If God is not willing to prevent evil, then he is not all-good. If God is both willing and able to prevent evil, then why does evil exist?
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3 years ago
invinoveritas
Seemed just like yesterday to me. I was born in 1953 and raised in an LDS world, South Ogden, UT. But I started to question as early as age 7. And then, at age 14, I got a hold of a book that my grandpa owned. No Man Knows My History, by Fawn Brodie. (I can honestly say that the title only seems to apply to True Believing Mormons). I read it straight through. “O, what a tangled web we
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4 years ago
invinoveritas
The angel Moroni, who in the heck is that asks 99% of the world? Maybe the church should drop the "i" and just name him Moron, a synonym for "Mormon" as far as I'm concerned, but I'm told the word Mormon is not allowed anymore. So how about changing one letter and adding one syllable and calling it the angel Macaroni. It has a nice sound to it. It's Italian you know, an
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4 years ago
invinoveritas
"They left us", and so should everyone else as far as I'm concerned.
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4 years ago
invinoveritas
Revisiting some old SF stories I read as a young man. Came across this. To me it somehow seems appropriate for some followers of this site. “...secrecy is the keystone of all tyranny. Not force, but secrecy...censorship. When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, “this you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know,” t
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4 years ago
invinoveritas
A quick synopsis of the Book of Mormon (or whatever they are going to call it, seeing how the word “Mormon” can no longer be used). Technically speaking Joseph Smith did not write it, he actually just translated it from an original work. And it came to pass that by use of a magic rock, or a top hat, or the Urim and Thummim, Joseph Smith translated it into very bad and incorrect King Jame
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5 years ago
invinoveritas
This exact same kind of cancer took my mother, so I have a certain empathy for any family member whose has lost a loved one from this. My condolences to Cindy, Bridget, Jack, Jimmy, Meghan, Andy, Doug, and the entire McCain Family. As a four year Navy veteran from the old days; If you were a USN Aviator banging on/off carriers in the 1960's, you put your life on the line every time. On Jul
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5 years ago
invinoveritas
Thanks to all the daughters and all the wives out there.
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5 years ago
invinoveritas
Women have no role in Mormon hierarchy. Absolutely TRUE, and an absolutely flawed philosophy. There would be NO HUMAN race without women! Women are half of the Human equation. Which half is more important? I ask you! The INEQUALITY of a Women’s standing in Mormonism was the first thing I noticed when checking out the Mormon religion. I---as a male—can have all the wives I want—bu
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5 years ago
invinoveritas
To Chicken N. Backpacks and presleynfactsrock I was kind of thinking of this today. With LDS, the first words are always about the BOM, or our Heavenly Father,or the Restored Gospel from Joseph Smith, never ever about Jesus Christ. It surprised me. It did kind of catch me off guard, and it was also what got my gander up! A new tactic--or what? They should just quit trying and get thei
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5 years ago
invinoveritas
Just saying. About two hours ago or so. 8:30 PM, Ogden Ut, East Bench, door bell rings, 2 little yappin’ dogs that belong to the wife go crazy. Two clean cut, very very young boys, white shirt and dark tie, LDS name tags. I open the door. Me: “Are you LDS?” (Very obvious, YES) Missionary: “Why Yes, we are.” Me: “I’m sorry, I don’t think your message is anyth
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5 years ago
invinoveritas
Amyjo I loved that little write up! I think it's spot on. One person's God is another person's joke--such is the state of the human condition. A state that will live in infamy, I suppose. I guess as Humans we all have our fallacies, but I still cannot fathom why some will not even try to tell the difference between S**T and SHINOLA. "There's a sucker born every minute."
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5 years ago
invinoveritas
"If you live in a heavily LDS area in Utah and drink coffee, have you ever noticed people treat you differently at work or out in public? Disapproving glances? Passive aggressive comments?" Oh Yeah! Oh Hell Yeah! In any other part of the country coffee is as American as Mom, Baseball, and Apple Pie. Only in Utah is it considered really "evil" and "unworthy".
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6 years ago
invinoveritas
Only in Utah! So! I walked into my workplace at 6:59 AM on a Monday morning about two weeks ago with my just purchased Grande Hot Latte from Starbucks, and my coworker says to me in a jovial voice, “Hey Bob, still drinking that sin water I see”. He said the same thing to me about 8 years ago. I responded, “you know, the entire US Navy, and all the other branches of the armed f
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6 years ago
invinoveritas
Lots of ways to get "that" balance, a long commute is one way. And indeed it does seem to be getting harder to strike that balance. Answer? I don't know. But peddling non-stop "hate" and "fear" (the two most strong emotions in the human DNA genome),is NOT the answer as I see coming from one side of a giant Elephant. (Maybe a "non-allowed political ref
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6 years ago
invinoveritas
My life experience. You can live in a rural area where everything is cheaper, but you can't find employment. Or you you can live on the east or west coast or a big city, where you can find a good job but cannot afford to live there. The trick is to find a good balance between your income versus living/housing expenses. My experience. A good education, and a skill in a high demand area gre
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6 years ago
invinoveritas
Human sexuality can be a complex thing. One study will not define it, and the simplistic “binary” view held by the present Mormon leadership is way off the mark. You, as an apostle of the "one and only TRUE Church in the entire world", do not get to tell someone else whom they are attracted too. Nature is what it is, whether it's in alignment with your provincial (see Fundamentali
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6 years ago
invinoveritas
My copy of the Book of Mormon has Charlatan stamped all over it, in fact I see it on every single page. I suppose others see “the most correct and true book” in the world. What Stupidity! What Arrogance!
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6 years ago
invinoveritas
Carameldreams (): Absolutely right. I am old. I am tired. And my post was a rant. If you only had the day I had today, with these Utah Mormons I work with! Gun toting conspiracy brethren of the Melchezideck Brotherhood. Life elevated--My Ass. The reality is I do indeed need a "break".
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6 years ago
invinoveritas
Stupid is as stupid does. “I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.” Galileo Galilei (Who by the way, spent the last years of his life under arrest by the Catholic Church for heresy---when in truth everyone today knows that the earth is not stationary, nor the center of the universe, and
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6 years ago
invinoveritas
Cold hearted ORB that rules the night. Endless endeavor for the GOOD and the RIGHT! Impassioned lovers wrestle as one. A lonely man cries and has none. UP and DOWN, and then LEFT and then RIGHT. And in the end, it’s only ROUND and ROUND. WITH and WITHOUT, and who will deny it’s what the fighting is all about. RED is GREEN, and then YELLOW and then WHITE. And in the END,
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6 years ago
invinoveritas
And it came to pass---A Mormon Bishop and a Texas Cowboy flew first class on a jet bound for Dallas TX. As they boarded in the first class section, the stewardess asked the cowboy if he would like a drink. Yes ma’am, a bourbon and water if you please, whereupon she fixed the drink. She then served the drink, and then asked the Bishop if he too would like a drink. He was obviously of
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6 years ago
invinoveritas
Don't Wanna Go Where There's No Coca-Cola. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg46W8LBHGs
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