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3 months ago
cludgie
My experience is that cops are cops, and they looooove to play guns. They haul out the so-called "long guns" whenever they can. I don't know if you remember, but the church once had local police monitoring the activity of people on the church's naughty list. It may not be as bad today as it was a couple of decades ago, but the church has a lot of cooperation with and control over the
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3 months ago
cludgie
I wonder what people thought. I wonder also if it caused the stake presidency to run around a bit.
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3 months ago
cludgie
We are now not to "body-shame", which is good. But obesity is very unfortunate, and people should see how bad it is. It shortens one's life upon the earth. It also physically harms, particularly the skeleton and its joints. It causes heart attack, cancer, and stroke, among many other maladies. I've had bishops who weighed 300+ pounds (for Brits, that's over 21 stone, if one is wont
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3 months ago
cludgie
As for missions being to help the missionary attain what passes as a "testimony", that idea is going rather tits-up, don't you think. First there is the normal stress and cost of a mission. But then, rather than make the mission a nice experience for the missionary, the church chose to double down with nitnoy demands and rules, shackling them to a ball and following up with a constant
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3 months ago
cludgie
Also a great choice. I like Italy because I've lived there for 6 years, and my son studied art at an Italian university. The country boasts excellent health care, and inexpensive living. Ditto Portugal, but their health care system is greater than Italy, so... Portugal now leads Europe in medicine.
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3 months ago
cludgie
Dammit, we still haven't met, innit?!
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3 months ago
cludgie
I'm sure that some older, rural,and back-woods Mormons still say "Chinaman" I mean, my own MIL used to say "darkies."
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3 months ago
cludgie
A wannabe educational institute.
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3 months ago
cludgie
I really resent him for how he once kept a Japanese crowd of members in a trance-like state of rapture as he spun lies right to their faces. (This was at a combined Japanese and US servicemen's conference around 1978(?) held in Okinawa.) Since I first heard the guy talk at a youth conference in the 1960's, I sensed something that made me doubt ALL his stories. I have no details of my own thoughts
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3 months ago
cludgie
The original "A Child's Christmas in Wales". Not the new version also so named, but having nothing to do with the epic prose of Dylan Thomas.
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3 months ago
cludgie
BYU is a joke, really. For one, it's got a law school named after a pro-Nazi anti-Semite, and a library named after a proud bigot who did not want Black people attending the "university". That says too much for me. Fair disclosure: I attended the place when men in jeans and women in trousers were against the honor code. How wearing things like that affects one's honor I'll never know
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3 months ago
cludgie
Well, we know that Mormons don't care about any history but their own, and don't care about the culture and traditions of anyone beyond Utah. So they're ignorant as all hell even going into this challenge. One LDS mission should tip us all off to their failures: The Mormons opened the Greece mission back in 1988. The creation of the mission highlights the lack of cultural knowledge and sensit
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4 months ago
cludgie
Their father was our bishop in the Wiesbaden Germany Servicemen's Ward. The family was extremely attractive, and all 8 kids above average. Spring married young, and married this Thibaudeau guy, who, if I remember correctly, was non-American, although I can't be sure. By that time, my family was in the midst of re- packing and transferring back to Maryland. But it seems that he could maybe have be
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4 months ago
cludgie
Makes be sorta homesick. We spent 13 years in Germany, 3.5 years of that in Wiesbaden. There was quite a bit of difficulty between the German ward and the servicemen's ward. The military people always tried to bully the Germans, who were the building custodians were German, because it belonged to the Germans. It was up to them to make decisions involving the building, but the Americans were alway
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4 months ago
cludgie
I'm going to go to Portugal. Well, that's my plan. My TBM DW is affected by the church's belief in American exceptionalism. "But the prophet says we're the best nation in the world!" We know now that that's so much shite. It took us long enough to figure it out
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4 months ago
cludgie
You seem to be misunderstanding the most important premise of the show. In the programme, Doc Martin is not David Bednar. He's just clueless. He is, in fact, my BIL, who will say rude things to people, and when someone tips him off to his rude behaviour, he just asks, "What?? I didn't mean THAT."
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4 months ago
cludgie
I can only vouch for my time in Cambodia.. By that time, even the Killing Fields became a tourist site -- a rather depressing one, but all tourists are encouraged to visit the site. Most everything was put back together, and it's a city full of wondrous and ancient Buddhist temples, and such. I did get a day (only one day, unfortunately) to visit Angkor Wat, and that's a world heritage site, and
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4 months ago
cludgie
In fact, Peshawar WAS very nice for a long time Humble people, great food, hospitality, and kindness have always been the hallmarks of the region. But then came 9/12, and the Americans' scattershot reactions, and Pakistan's Northwest Frontier Province and the Tribal Territories became the havens for terrorists just over the border in Afghanistan. Over a couple of years, the State Dept and other
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4 months ago
cludgie
Jan. 2009 The local bishop, a friendly middle school maths teacher, wanted me to reconsider. But when I did resign, he wanted people to stay away from me because I had too much damaging information that I had exposed in my 21-page screed I gave to him. Ever notice how little Mormons know about their own religion? Hm.
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4 months ago
cludgie
It will always be Italy. Frankfurt is fine, but it ain't no Rome. And those great assignments came with bad assignments, like Peshawar, Pakistan, and Kinshasa, Democratic Republic of Congo. I was temporarily assigned to 4 or.5 weeks at some interesting locations. The best was Phnom Penh, Cambodia.
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4 months ago
cludgie
You suppose he took his temple recommends with?
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4 months ago
cludgie
Woodruff supposedly issued his "manifesto" in 1890 announcing the supposed end of polygamy. Then in 1897, Woodruff himself took another polygamist wife. That says it all for me.
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4 months ago
cludgie
I first went to the temple in 1969 in preparation for going on my mission. Back in them ancient days, the ceremony ran almost parallel to the Blue Lodge Masonic induction. Then the changes started coming, first in 1990. Then more. And then even more. The church was trying to make it less and less creepy and especially not Masonic. And then there was some powerful gaslighting. The message, of cour
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4 months ago
cludgie
We talking soft crabs?
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4 months ago
cludgie
Remember when some resident up on the hill had built a tennis court, and some others found it ugly and wanted it torn up? In the Trib photo, that temple in the background was the real eyesore. The church's architect needs to be replaced.
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4 months ago
cludgie
One should always refer to oneself in the third person.
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4 months ago
cludgie
To maintain a TS/SCI clearance you have to reapply and get re- interviewed ewsd every5 years, followed by a polygraph.
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4 months ago
cludgie
That WAS on my mission (The Italian Mission, 1969-71). In 1997, State Dept wanted someone with knowledge of Italian to fill a bullet at the US Embassy in Rome, and they offered it to me out of the blue. I owned up to being out of practice, so they sent me through Dante Institute refresher, and sent us to Rome. We had three cats in tow, too. I served there for 4years before moving on to Frankfurt.
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4 months ago
cludgie
Brigham Young, for one: "The Christian God is our devil!" I wonder how the church dodges this one.
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4 months ago
cludgie
I spent 43 years in communications Intel, and have been to DLI in Monterey 3 times for two languages (Chinese and German). Remember that both NSA and CIA would not give you the required security clearance (TOP SECRET / SCI) if you had ever smoked cannabis. So back in the day, both agencies recruited heavily from BYU. But that all changed somewhere in the 1990's, and you can now get the clearance
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