If your report of the conversations is accurate, you didn't "ask" for sex. You *offered* it.
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It is very probable that when Joseph Smith said "Bible" he meant the King James version. And there are several mistranslations of importance in the KJV, which also turn up (uncorrected) in the Book of Mormon: "virgin" - 2 Nephi 17:14 = Isaiah 7:14 The Book of Mormon preserves some demonstrable mistranslations of the King James Version of the Bible. One n
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It was I who set up the Exmormon Foundation as a charitable organization, and it was fairly simple (at that time). I have not kept up with the regulations in that area, so I couldn't advise. As I recall, it did not require a lot of expense (if any), just filling out a long application. I would guess that the application is online at the IRS website. IIRC, however, charitable contributions are
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D&C 84:85 says: "Neither take ye thought beforehand what ye shall say : George Q. Cannon (First Presidency) said: "We are commanded to be subject to the direction of the Holy Spirit when we arise to speak; for if we speak as we should do, it is not we who speak, but it is the Spirit of God which speaks through us. On this account, the Elders of the Church do not, at least as a ru
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Also consider D&C 107:81-84, providing for a trial of the president.
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Here are Bible references I have found: Homosexuality is forbidden; its punishment is to be "cut off" or killed (Lev 18:22, 20:13, Deut 23:17, 1 Cor 6:9). Permitting homosexuality is a worse sin than permitting rape of a woman (Gen 19:1-8, Judg 19:22-29). "Effeminate" men cannot be saved (1 Cor 6:9). David loved Jonathan: "very pleasant hast thou been un
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Here's my take on the hypocrisy of the 12th AoF: This appears to be an implementation of Jesus' admonition "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's..." and portrays Mormons as law-abiding citizens. To the extent that Mormons have practiced this principle, it enabled German Mormons, for example, to survive in Germany during the Nazi dictatorship, since they obediently ob
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Bryant's lovely poem "Thanatopsis" has this lovely passage: Yet a few days, and thee The all-beholding sun shall see no more In all his course; nor yet in the cold ground, Where thy pale form was laid, with many tears, Nor in the embrace of ocean, shall exist Thy image. Earth, that nourished thee, shall claim Thy growth, t
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Welcome to the Celestial Kingdom! And Congratulations on having successfully achieved Godhood! Here is your diploma, and your license to perform all those offices and acts associated with your Divine Office. (You may use the duplicating room to make several thousand copies so that each of your wives can have her own). You are now authorized to organize your own worlds and universes. Do-it-y
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For my discussion and criticism of Card as a defender of the Book of Mormon, see: http://packham.n4m.org/card-bom.htm
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Most cultures in the world have a creation myth that explains how the world came to be, how mankind began, etc. Most of them include a myth about how mankind acquired fire. But there is no story about that in the Bible. Why not, I wonder?
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Christmas is one of the happiest times of year. For most of us, Christmas brings back memories of Christmases past, the Christmases of our childhood, when joy reigned and wishes came true. The fragrance of fresh fir, the glow of candles, the tinkle of little Christmas bells, the glitter and glisten of decorations which brighten everything at this time of year, the very colors of green and red and
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There is plenty of literature to answer your question. Try these. You may be able to get them on interlibrary loan: Ehrman, Bart D., Jesus, Interrupted: Revealing the Hidden Contradictions In The Bible, Harper One, 2009 Ehrman, Bart D., Forged: Why The Bible's Authors Are Not Who We Think They Are, Harper One, 2011 Finkelstein, Israel, and Neil Asher Silberman, The Bible Unearthed: Archaeolo
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Years ago there was a proposal in Texas to teach foreign languages in Texas high schools. One Texas legislator objected: "If English was good enough for Jesus Christ, it's good enough for our Texas schoolchildren!"
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Nightingale Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- >.... > On a different note, I wonder if RfM Admin would > put a sticky note on page 1 here so people can > find your new group, Richard. Thanks for the encouragement, Nightingale. That's a good question for admin.
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Distraught wrote: >Can you please share your support group information with me. My daughter starting pushing us (her family) away once she married into a Mormon family. Now she won’t speak to us at all and I haven’t see my grandchildren in two years That support group was a Yahoo group, and all Yahoo groups will disappear on December 15 of this year. It had about 300 subscribers. The
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I think you and I agree: a baby does not have the ability to believe in God (or gods). Belief is a learned behavior. Our difference seems to be only in the definition of the terms "atheist" and "atheism." You appear to define "atheist" as "one who has decided not to believe in God." That is the definition that is preferred (I think) by most theists.
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Get Fact Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The notion that all babies hold any theological > position - including atheism - is pure nonsense. As has been often pointed out here, "atheism" is NOT a theological position. Rather, it means merely "not having a belief in God or gods." One could just as well (and correctly) point out th
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On March 10, 1844, Smith prophesied that Christ would not return in any year in which a rainbow occurred. ( History of the Church 6:249-254, Teachings of the Prophet JS p 341) Of course, a rainbow occurs somewhere every year, whenever there is sunshine after a rain, and Christ has not yet returned.
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Apparently now, because of covid, the JWs are no longer standing in public displaying copies of AWAKE or knocking on random doors. They are dialing phone numbers. I just got a phone call from Bill, who wanted to share the message with me. He got more than he bargained for. He started by saying "the Bible says..." I interrupted him and asked him why he beieved what the Bible says.
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See also my article on this problem: http://packham.n4m.org/linguist.htm#KINGJAMES
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I think that I probably know how you feel, since my own alcoholic TBM sister took her own life a few years ago. She and I had been superficially "close" but she was always aloof with me because of my apostasy, and she insisted that I "really do believe it." We were close enough emotionally that she could be honest with me about her feelings (negative) toward her husband, an
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Ardern, in case you don't know, is exmormon and is in her first term as the prime minister of New Zealand. https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/10/asia/jacinda-ardern-new-zealand-election-intl-hnk-dst/index.html
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question for admins
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You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. You can lead a Saint to knowledge, but you can't make him think.
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And I have been trying to get in touch with YOU. Could you drop me a line? I can't post an email addy here, but you'll find it in the article you helped me with at http://packham.n4m.org/animals.htm "Animal Resurrection"
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For a partial list of failed prophecies (Mormon and Biblical) see: http://packham.n4m.org/prophet.htm http://packham.n4m.org/byoung.htm#PROPHECIES http://packham.n4m.org/bible.htm#PROPHECY
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GNPE Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > is there anything in the CES notes about the Bof > A? like a 'clarification' (cough!!) What does this have to do with my post?? It doesn't even mention the BoF.
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The Book of Mormon's opening book of 1 Nephi presents a dream/vision in which prophets describe a detailed scene involving a narrow path with an iron rod, leading to the tree of life laden with the most desirable fruit. A river that is both good and bad flows alongside, on the other side of which is seen a large, high building filled with the proud people of the world. The scene is fraught w
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Joseph Smith himself (as well as anyone whose lineage is from Ephraim or Manasseh) was unworthy for the priesthood, since those two sons were born of Asenath, who was the daughter of an Egyptian priest. (Genesis 41:45, 50-51). They were therefore half Egyptian and passed their blood down. According to the Book of Abraham, Egyptians and anyone with Egyptian blood were denied the priesthood (1:2
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