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26 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
say women had priesthood power, just no specific office. There have been other threads here about women's response. I think it can fairly be summed up as "yeah, right." First Counselor J. Anette Dennis responded with the following statement: “Thank you for reaching out and taking the time to share your feelings,” Dennis said. “As we read through the comments, we were moved
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26 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
I bet this is going to go over well. Some GA (Seventy Kevin Hamilton) ran his mouth at a stake conference in California. The old TR question left wearing the garment up to personal interpretation. That will be changing, SLTrib has a long feature article on the topic. It is "subscriber only", so paywalled. https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2024/03/29/lds-church-steps-up-this-mess
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26 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
When I lived in Dakotasota, the joke about LCMS was that they were so conservative that they were still mad that the services weren't in German anymore.
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26 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
You’re assuming the church needs tithing income to survive. I doubt that is true anymore. They have enough assets that they can run off the income from their businesses and investment for a very long time, perhaps centuries.
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26 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
When the eclipse happens just after GC, those Saints who are in the area of totality, if they have sufficient faith, and a good telescope, will be able to see the backlit silhouettes of the Quakers on the moon.
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26 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
I agree that the talks are written weeks, perhaps months ahead. I do think they could override a few talks to respond to current events, like the kerfuffle over the authority of women in Mormondom. Having the talks vetted by an outsider is an excellent idea, but I can’t see them ever doing that.
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26 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
I think they are comparable. The Islamic extremists are worse and more numerous, but that is a matter of degree, not a complete change of ballpark. Religious justification for murder - Timothy McVeigh, the LeBarons, Chad and Lori Daybell come to mind. Religious justification for rape - Rulon Jeffs, among others. Religious justification for starving children - Franke and Hildebrand. True, su
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26 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
It's always been an idiot parade. We just hear more about it now. My mother was a rural southerner. When we would go down there to visit in the 1950s, one of the best forms of entertainment was tent revivals. … Hot August night and the leaves hanging down And the grass on the ground smelling sweet Move up the road to the outside of town And the sound of that good gospel beat … Sits a
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26 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
He sounds more like a Jordan Peterson than a Mormon. Mormons don’t generally spout philosophy to justify their misogyny. They just gaslight and say it is not misogyny and how dare you badmouth God.
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27 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
LOL. Exactly what I suspected. The same thing happens when people self-report what they eat. People who are overweight tend to under-report how much they eat, and people who are underweight tend to over-report what they eat. Everybody thinks they eat "a normal amount, more or less." The only reliable way around that is to write down every single thing you eat the moment you eat
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27 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
Food storage is worse than worthless in a flood. It is a liability. After the water gets pumped out of the basement, you are left with a bunch of cans and other containers that have had the labels soaked off, and rust on the cans, with no way to know if the rust spots have created micro-perforations in the cans. It's a liability because it is just one more thing you have to get to the landfill
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27 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
They discouraged people from stocking up because you can create an artificial shortage of pretty much anything if everyone goes out and buys a bunch of it at once. That was what happened with toilet paper in the pandemic. There was plenty of industrial capacity to meet normal demand, but not to meet hoarding demand. People bought entire pickup truckloads of TP at Costco, thinking they were goi
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27 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
There is a rather large Hindu temple in Spanish Fork, UT, of all places. It is something of a tourist attraction, and some of the Hindu festivals are pretty colorful. One temple in the western US is one thing. Two in a single town is another, Provo has 2. St George has 2. SL Valley will have 5 shortly, and I expect one in Lehi, just outside the valley, sooner rather than later.
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28 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
Yeah. Borrowing a horse and wagon and returning it after breakfast hardly seems to qualify for being called a horse thief. Sounds like they just didn’t want to bother harnessing their own horse.
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28 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
Who was Zina Diantha Huntington Jacobs Smith Young Who was Laban Who was Zelph
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28 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
I seriously doubt that is code for a second annointing. I have an uncle who was a temple president, and he was always getting pestered by extended family members for blessing for whatever they felt was wrong in their life. I think they mostly did it so they could brag that they got a blessing from a temple president - the usual humble-brag about being part of the in-crowd.
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28 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
Reality is just a crutch for people who lack imagination.
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28 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
Questions you will never hear on Jeopardy: What was the Mountain Meadows Massacre Who were the LeBaron brothers Who were the Lafferty brothers Who is Rulon Jeffs Who is Mark Hofmann Who are the September Six What is a Lamanite Who is Steve Benson What is polygamy What is Utah (to the statement “the only state that does not permit the sale of “airline” minibottles of liquor”)
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28 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
Ah, yes, the heart of the matter.
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28 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
Actually the article doesn’t mention being a dealer at all. A dealer is not gambling, just doing a job. I see no difference between that and serving drinks, or playing pro football on Sunday.
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29 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
Back in the 1950s and 60s, Vegas hospitality workers were denied TRs if they were bartenders or card dealers. Owners however could get a TR. This was too hypocritical even for Mormons to tolerate, and the restriction was dropped in the late 1960s I believe.
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29 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
You are in tune with the zeitgeist. Just yesterday I saw an article about the rise and fall of Contemporary Christian Music - think Amy Grant. Or Kiss. The drum and guitar shtick is fading. https://religionnews.com/2024/03/25/in-god-gave-rock-and-roll-to-you-leah-payne-details-the-rise-and-fall-of-ccm/
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30 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
Right. It may be no more true or false than any other religion, but the relevant question is is it more or less damaging than other religions.
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30 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
That's why it is important for bishops to go on missions, so they can learn how to report ward attendance the same corrupt way they reported First Discussion's given per week. And we wonder why there is so much fraud in Utah. It's run by a religion where lying is a foundational practice.
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30 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
Doesn't matter. gallup didn't get the numbers from the church, it got them from survey participants.
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30 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
All the survey has to ask is "what religion to belong to?" We know from national censuses that ask for religious affiliation on their census (notably British Commonwealth countries) that roughly a third of the number of members the Mormon Church claims actually self-identify as Mormon on their census. The number is probably slightly higher in the US. I'd guess between 35% and 40% So,
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30 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
Exactly.
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4 weeks ago
Brother Of Jerry
No, it didn't change when Briggy took over, at least not completely. The RS building that is across (what used to be) the street from Temple Square is a pretty substantial building, and that was paid for and build by the RS. They had dues, their own budget, their own magazine. One time I was exploring in souther Idaho, near a thing called City of Rocks, due south of Burley, ID. It is apparentl
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4 weeks ago
Brother Of Jerry
$400K would be a low to middling salary for the president of the big state schools in the Great Plains, and big schools in the Plains are 15K to 20K students. Google tells me the Red Cross has 35,000 employees. $400K seems like a rather modest salary for an organization that big. Yeah, I think executive salaries are absurd too.
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