Subject: Joseph Smith and Warren Jeffs: Two Texas-lovin' pedophilic peas in the same perverted polygamous pod
Date: Apr 10, 2008
Author: steve benson

It has been accurately pointed out that convicted accomplice to rape Warren Jeffs' establishment of his polygamous cult compound in Texas had its roots in the twisted ideas of fellow polygamous child abuser Joseph Smith:

"The seeds Joseph Smith planted have sprung up in Texas. . . .

"State troopers raided the 1,700-acre West Texas ranch . . . to look for evidence that the teen, who called authorities a week ago, was married."

Illegal marriage to teenage brides? Where have we heard this before?

Say it ain't so, Joe!:

--Birds of a Feather Flee Together: Like Warren Jeffs, Joseph Smith Harbored Plans to Relocate His Mormon Followers to Texas for Power and Protection--

Michael Van Wagenen, University of Utah PhD. candidate, explains his master's thesis premise of Joseph Smith's Jeff-like attraction to Texas.

In his article, "The Texas Republic and the Mormon Kingdom of God," he writes:

"From its earliest days of colonization, Texas sparked the imaginationand ambition of some of North America's greatest leaders. Joseph Smith, the founder of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, was one such man.

"His interest in Texas coincided with the strategic goal of Sam Houston, the president of the young Texas Republic, to create a buffer zone between the areas of Anglo settlement and Mexico.

"History has until now hidden how close the ambitions of these two men came to carving out a Mormon Kingdom of God in Texas.

"In 1844 Smith and his followers were received with political jealousy, religious suspicions, and distaste by their neighbors in Nauvoo, Illinois. Smith looked outside the United States for both refuge and empire.

"Times were difficult for Sam Houston, as well, as he faced the wrath of Comanches on the Western frontier and Santa Anna on the southern border. He was looking for assistance from England, France, or perhaps even the Mormons. Smith appointed an ambassador to the Texas Republic, and secret negotiations began in earnest.

"According to Mormon records, Houston agreed to sell Smith a disputed strip of land between the Nueces River and the Rio Grande.

"Before the Mormon leader could take further action, he was murdered by a mob in Illinois. In the leadership succession crisis that ensued, the negotiations were abandoned.

"Yet the secret negotiations cannot be seen as a total failure. Houston remained a friend to the Mormons throughout his political career and was later instrumental in ending the Utah War of 1857–58. In addition, a group of Mormon settlers emigrated to the Texas Republic on the eve of statehood and became an important part of the Texas cultural mosaic."

Van Wagenen has discovered in his research that "negotiations between Sam Houston and Mormon representatives to buy a considerable piece of Texas land [commenced] during the early 1840s. The Texas plan was one of several such plans instituted by Smith and the Council of Fifty to move the church if necessary to an isolated region and establish an independent government.

"Houston was open to the idea because if his efforts to annex Texas to the United States failed, he needed a buffer between his republic and Mexico. . . .

"[I]n the last weeks of Smith’s life, Smith rejected the idea of going to Texas, and after his martyrdom Brigham Young completely rejected the plan. Apostle Lyman Wight, who had been involved in the negotiations, led a group of Latter Day Saints to Texas and presided over a Mormon settlement there until his death in 1858. There are no Wightites today."

As Smith's Kingdom of God designs to move his Mormon followers to Texas died with Smith's own death, Jeffs' plans for a Texas Zion died with his own arrest.

The website, "To the Remmant" (which calls for "the establishment of Zion," for "the gospel and government of God working in harmony," for "the improvement and sanctification of all things" and for the creation of "[t]he kingdom of heaven on earth"), notes that Joseph Smith (like Warren Jeffs) had plans on herding his followers to Texas:

"Earlier deliberations in the Council [of Fifty] had sent scouts to Texas [with plans to organize a Mormon exodus to that still-non U.S. frontier area].

"The plans to move to Texas seem to have been well-developed. A treaty between the Mormons and the government of Texas had been drafted and awaited final approval from both groups.

"However, it was in the midst of these negotiations that Joseph Smith was killed. Lyman Wight, Lucien Woodworth and George Miller sought to revive the plans of the [C]ouncil to relocate the [S]aints in the Republic of Texas (not yet annexed to the U.S.) . . . Wight believed that his Smith’s Council of Fifty assignment to establish a colony in Texas superceded his calling as an apostle, and was excommunicated for his attempts to move the Saints to Texas. Woodworth and Miller were also dropped from the [C ouncil. James Emmett, who had been appointed by the Council of Fifty to explore California and Oregon led a group of 100 [S]aints (without approval) to establish a colony [in Texas], and was subsequently disfellowshipped from the church . . . The decision to stay away from Texas proved to be wise, as the relations between Mexico and Texas were tenuous at best, and often marked by violent conflict."

In 2004, Jeffs pursued his eventually doomed Smith-like plan for Texas relocation by moving approximately 150 of his faithful sheep/personal family members to his polygamous compound near the small town of Eldorado.

Again, why Texas? Because Texas has historically been seen by Jeffs (like it also was by Smith and his followers) as a place of eventual sanctuary and power building for his fundamentalist polygamous church.

As Associated Press reporter Jennifer Dobner writes in her article, "Facts About the Polygamist Sect FLDS":

"Since the early 20th century the traditional home base of the [FLDS] church has been the twin border towns of Colorado City, Ariz., and Hildale, Utah. The church also has enclaves in Colorado, South Dakota, Texas and British Columbia."

Even the Salt Lake City-based LDS Church admits on its own "Newsroom" website that, indeed, Smith (like Jeffs) had designs on leading his Mormon devotees to Texas--and that those plans eventually led to a positive Mormon presence in that state:

"Before Joseph Smith, the first President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, was murdered in 1844, he and other Church leaders considered buying a tract of land in Texas.

"The land would serve as a gathering place for the Saints should they be persecuted and driven out of Illinois. These plans were dissolved with the death of Joseph Smith. Missionary work in Texas had begun one year prior to this event.

"In 1845, former Church leader Lyman Wight moved to central Texas with 100 others. Although he was excommunicated from the Church, he and his colony gave a favorable reputation to Church members in the state. In 1849, missionaries visited the Wight colonies and several were baptized back into the Church. From 1854 to 1857, several hundred converts immigrated to Utah from Texas.

"In 1898, land was purchased that eventually became the colony of Kelsey, composed of 300 Church members. In 1906, membership was 1,000 and by 1930, 3,840 members met in 14 congregations. Membership was 50,000 in 1977; 120,000 in 1984 (when the Dallas Texas Temple was completed) and 154,000 in 1990.

"On October 14, 1993, Richard A. Searfoss of League City, Texas, became the first Latter-day Saint to pilot the flight of a space shuttle. In 1994, Church members and missionaries rallied to assist flood-stricken southeast Texas, gathering relief supplies and helping to clean up debris and water-ravaged homes."

--Like Warren Jeffs, Joseph Smith Was An Unbalanced Man Who Saw Organized Violence as a Means By Which to Protect His Power While Seeking Establishment of a Safe Haven for His Faithful Flock in Texas--

As Jerald and Sandra Tanner write in their book, "The Changing World of Mormonism," Smith (like Jeffs) had both irrational and illegal designs on Texas territory.

Quoting from the book, "History of the Church," the Tanners note:

"'Joseph Smith seems to have desired to lead a large army, for he prepared a "Petition to the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States" . . . asking the privilege of raising 100,000 men to extend protection to persons wishing to settle Oregon and other portions of the territory of the United States, and extend protection to the people in Texas' ("History of the Church," vol. 6, p.282).

"In this document we read:

"'Section 1. Be it ordained . . . that Joseph Smith . . . is hereby authorized and empowered to raise a company of one hundred thousand armed volunteers . . .

"'Sec. 2. And be it further ordained that if any person or persons shall hinder or attempt to hinder or molest the said Joseph Smith from executing his designs in raising said volunteers, . . . he, or they so hindering molesting, or offending, shall be punished by a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars . . . or by hard labor on some public work not exceeding two years, or both,. . .

"'Sec. 3. And be it further ordained . . . the said Joseph Smith is hereby constituted a member of the army of these United States. . . . '("History of the Church," vol. 6, p. 277).

"There was, of course, hardly any chance that Joseph Smith's petition would be accepted. On April 25, 1844, Orson Hyde wrote a letter from Washington in which he stated: 'Mr. Semple said that Mr. Smith could not constitutionally be constituted a member of the army by law; and this, if nothing else, would prevent its passage' (ibid., vol. 6, p.372)."

--Like Joseph Smith, Warren Jeffs Sought Refuge from the Law for Himself and His Fellow Polygamous Zion Seekers in Texas--

"The Eldorado Success"--a local publication in the town not far from where the criminally-minded Jeffs' established his polygamous compound--explains Jeffs' Smith-like reasons for wanting to relocate to Texas:

"As recemtly as the annual FLDS conference, held April 6, 2002, in Colorado City, AZ, Warren Jeffs spoke on behalf of his ailing father, Rulon Jeffs, and told the [FLDS] church faithful that Zion was to be re-established in Missouri.

"His plan apparently changed shortly afer the death of his father five months later. By November of 2003 the YFZ [Yearning for Zion] Land corporation had been formed and property was being acquired here in Schleicher County. . . .

"By the end of . . . 2004, all but the most skeptical had reached the conclusion that Warren Jeffs was building his Zion in Schleicher County.

"Then on New Years' Day came the news that a dedication ceremony had been held for the group's new temple. A mere six weeks later the towering structure dominate[d] the landscape at YFZ Ranch and news about the temple [began] fueling a new round of media interest. Reporters and investigators from across the country [have been] following Warren Jeffs' trail to Texas. It remains to be seen if hs legal problems will do the same."

As to why a paranoid Jeffs' saw salvation in Texas (as also did a paranoid Smith), fellow Colorado City polygamist Richard Holm (who has since turned against Jeffs like former comrades of Smith similarly turned against him) explains why Jeffs began moving his followers to Texas.

Reports "The Eldorado Success":

"Holm says Warren Jeffs decision to move a portion [of] his FLDS faithful to Texas [was] a strange one. 'I think his decision to move ha[d] a lot to do with the pressure Warren [was] under here in Colorado City,' Holm said. 'I'm not sure whey he chose Eldorado, or Texas for that matter.' Holm said '{i]t might have had something to do with the Supreme Court striking down Texas' anti-sodomy law.'

"Holm noted that Jeffs, who ha[d] a well-publicized penchant for security and who travel[ed] with a group of bodyguards, could [have] be[en] . . . coming to Texas because he feared reprisal from those he ha[d] stepped on in Colorado City. 'People like me,' Holm said. 'There are a lot of people like me who have had their lives ruined by this snake.'

"[Holm said that] '[w]hat he may [have] be[en] doing [was] building his own sort of Disneyland down there where his most obedient followers [could] come and visit for a few days and while they [were] there they [would] get to see the wizard.' . . .

"'Warren is a coward and he [was] going to do whatever he [could] to stay out of trouble,' Holm said. 'I've heard him say in his sermons that if he [was] ever arrested he [would] be killed in jail. I honestly believe that he believes that.'"


Yesiree, pardner: Joseph Smith and Warren Jeffs--Two Texas-lovin' pedophilic peas in the same perverted polygamous pod.


Subject: related thread on Smith, Jeffs and sex with underage females . . .
Date: Apr 10 15:04
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Subject: Steve, was marriages "consumated" in the early LDS temple?
Date: Apr 10 20:03
Author: wakingup

I have a gut feeling they were....any documentation out there?


Subject: Haven't seen anything compelling in that regard--yet. nt
Date: Apr 10 20:05
Author: steve benson


Subject: Re: Joseph Smith and Warren Jeffs: Two Texas-lovin' pedophilic peas in the same perverted polygamous
Date: Apr 11 00:04
Author: Blue Hill Les

Add John Humphrey Noyes and his Oneida Community to the list. These cults are started to legitimize the alternative and/or illegal sexual preferences of their leaders.

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