http://www.mormontimes.com/article/19534/True-scholarship-vs-wishful-thinking

Last sentence:

"...The case for the Book of Mormon as an authentic ancient text should only be supported by rigorous scholarship and not by wishful thinking and the misuse of scholarly data."

Perhaps there is hope for Bro Ash after all......could the cog-dis fog be lifting?

JUst read the article. Sounds more like Antimormon to me!! lol

With heavy emphasis on the "moron" part...



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/31/2011 03:57PM by SL Cabbie.

promoted the tapirs-are-horses theory???? That is beyond "wishful thinking" it is down right ridiculous fantasy thinking.

(Cabbie apologies to the RFMer who used that handle for awhile; a good one deserves to take on a life of its own, however)

This John L. Sorenson who appears to have had revelations of ancient mariners, and unlike Coleridge, they can't be blamed on opium...

http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon606.htm

SLC
Vowing to keep his New Year's Resolution to complete Part II;
So much nonsense; not enough one-liners...

Scholarship of BoM Geography... OMG. These folks are really down deep in the rabbit hole.

First it was a hemispheric model. Then it was a great lakes model. Then it was in Chile. Then it was in mesoamerica. Now it is great lakes and mesoamerica battling it out. All this time, typical LDS read the BoM and still think hemispheric bacause the plain parts of the book of mormon make it plainly hemispheric. The precious parts (i.e., reading between the lines and inferring via "scholarship") lead one to realize that it's possible to fit other, limited (even vanishing) geography models.

In other words, the geography is all over the map (pun intended). Why? BECAUSE IT IS FICTION. It's like finding Narnia on maps of Europe. You can make up a literary fit all over the place.

I'm like a broke record when I write this, but....

Ash, if the book of mormon were true, you couldn't help but stumble into a jaredite-boat load of archeological evidence. Why? Because the utopian, rich, industrious, populous, peaceful, non-racist society described in 4 Nephi would have left archeological evidence greater than the Greek civilization. Cause there's never been a society that "good" in all of history.

Instead of a populous christian society, the major mesoamerican populations of that era (~150AD) practiced a not-so christian human and infant sacrifice at the temple (Teotihuacan) that is host to the god that many Mops represent Christ (Quetzalcoatl). (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_of_the_Feathered_Serpent).
Instead of worshiping Christ and his sky daddy, the Teotihuacán civilization worshiped a plurality of gods
( http://www.world-mysteries.com/mpl_7.htm & http://archaeology.la.asu.edu/teo/intro/intrteo.htm)

But didn't AmeriChrist wipe out all the wicked? (3 Nephi 8 & 9) How could there be human sacrifice and idolatry in mesoamerica at the same time the nephites who spread over the face of the whole land were the bestest christians ever known? Ash?

The vikings visited a remote (limited geography) location of icy Canada and left lab-fulls of trace evidence. Smith's Nephite population claimed to spread righteously, industriously, peacefully and prosperously from sea to sea over the face of the whole land leaves nothing except a bitter taste in our mouths.

Get an F-ing clue, Ash.

Thank you WCG. I appreciate that.

As was pointed out above, at first glance, Ashes article almost passes as "anti-mormon" because he discredits many previous works of "scholarship" on the Book of Mormon.

But in the end, he is just downsizing the Apologetic workforce to make sure the elite class he's in stays employed.


Ash (quoting his buddy Soreson) wrote:
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" This … encourages critics … to set up a straw-man Book of Mormon, to attack based on what Mormons have said about it instead of what it says itself. "

Let's see what does it say?
Horses, elephants, cattle, goats, wheat, barley, silk, steel, etc

And (again my broken record) we would expect that archeology evidence from the 35-220AD era (according to 4 Nephi):

• huge population “multiplied” across the land (v. 10, 23)
• great industry and building (v. 7-8, 26)
• complete peace (v. 2, 4, 13, 15, 20)
• little or no poverty (v. 4, 23)
• no slavery (v. 3)
• no racism; no segregation (v. 17)
• all were Christian; no idolatry (v. 2 & 3 Ne 8-9, 4 Ne:2)

Instead, in mesoamerica of that era, we get human sacrifice, war, racism, slavery, infanticide, idolatry, etc. Yep, it fits the BoM in your dreams.

We all agree, Ash, let's attack it on what it actually says. Calling a horse a tapir is exactly the kind of thing you are disdaining, and yet....



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 01/31/2011 05:41PM by Jesus Smith.