So I have been faithfully reading through my bible everyday for about a month. I am trying to actually read the whole thing in a year for the first time in my life.

I thought it would help my spirituality..HAH!!!

I must admit, it is more of a testimony destroyer reading through the OLD Testament than it is a faith builder. They sure do leave a lot out when they are teaching in Sunday school and priesthood.

Some of the people they put up to be great are just plain EVIL.

First, who is the bigger racist? Nehemiah or Brigham Young?

Well Nehemiah sure gives Young a run for his money.

So Cyrus says, let some of the Jews go back and build their temple. So Ezra, Nehemiah and a bunch of them all head back to Jerusalem to rebuild it.

A bunch of the guys who were exiled make the terrible mistake of marrying foreign women. OH NO!!! ( I mean they are in a foreign land, what ya gonna do, right?)

So Nehemiah get's really royally pissed about this and rips his robes. Then he tells all these guys (there are literally hundreds of them who have foreign wives) to DIVORCE them and abandon the kids and EXILE them...so that Israel can be PURE.

And the guys instead of telling Nehemiah to get off his tight ass LISTEN to him. And then they turn out all these women and kids.

No if I had married say an Asian, who I probably loved and had kids with and TSM in the middle of me STILL loving her (I mean they brought these women and children with them) then asked me to leave them, I'd tell him to go eff himself.

Why do we look up to these guys as 'great' men just because they have a book in the Old Testament?

Then we come to that woman whom is raised on a pedestal for all women to be chaste and pure and brave and gallant...Queen Esther.

What a royal bitch.


I understand about Haman plotting to kill all the jews, and she telling her husband Xerxes to deal with him, which he does. Haman is a gonner.

Then Xerxes asks if she would like anything else. Yes, I would like all of Hamans children hung on poles to die.

What a lovely daughter of our father in heaven she is.

Yet she gets much better treatment than Emma Smith who did nothing like that.

What a joke.

Correlation Committee thought the actual "Abrahamic Covenant" was to ... umm controversial to include in ADULT Gospel Doctrine Class.

I was the GD teacher at the time and I noticed my lesson was Genesis 12-14;16 (or something like that).

I started my class by stating what the lesson plan was (chap. 12-14 and 16) and stated that in 4 yrs hence they would be learning all about that, but in this class we were going to be discussing the ABRAHAMIC COVENANT that was signed sealed and delivered in Genesis chapter 15.

I guess splitting bovines right down the center and flaying them on a mountain-top is, well, just a bit too overly OCCULTIC for modern mormons to even talk about. We did, and yes I offended some (no doubt they are still good TBMs).

Genesis 24:64 And Rebekah lifted up her eyes, and when she saw Isaac, she lighted off the camel.

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Numbers 31 is especially shocking.

I read the Bible from cover to cover about twelve years ago, and made notes of all the stuff I found that nobody mentioned in Sunday School. It's over 60 pages, printed out.

See "Bible Notes" at http://packham.n4m.org/bible.htm

I always liked 1 Kings 13:

A "man of God", I'll call him Bob, goes and delivers a message to the king in Israel. The king offers to throw him a feast and Bob replies that he won't eat with the king, not even for half of his kingdom, because God told him not to eat or stay overnight, just to go home a different way than he came. Then another prophet, who I'll call Chuck, hears about this and calls Bob to his house and lies and says "An angel told me to come get you to have dinner with me". So Bob believes Chuck, since he's a prophet after all, and goes home with Chuck for dinner. After dinner Chuck basically tells Bob "Oh by the way, you're f***ed because of your disobedience" and when the Bob finally leaves to go home he gets eaten by a lion. Then Chuck goes and gets his body and gives him a nice burial and eulogy and mourns over his brother in God.

OK, WTF???!!! Is God entrapping his own prophets? Why is the prophet (Chuck) lying through his teeth when he seems to know that if (Bob) goes along with what he tells him something bad will happen to (Bob)? The chapter closes by saying that the king did not turn from his evil ways. Yeah, no $h!T, because the righteous people are getting eaten by lions precisely BECAUSE they followed what the prophet of God told them to do!

I know they never talk about this one in GD class. Hell, they don't even seem to want to touch this one in Seminary or Institute. Has anyone ever been in any church that WOULD touch this one?

Dude, don't you know the story of Samson ripping a lion in half with his bare hands and eating the honey from the beehive in its carcass several days later? (Judges 14). Mmmm ... carcass honey! Hey, that might make a cool band name.

Dave the Atheist Wrote:
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I had to look this up myself cause it didn't sound right to me. But surprisingly their ancient habitat had them spread out in Africa, almost all of Eurasia and even into the Americas as far South as Peru. Found out lions existed in the Palestine area until around the time of the Middle ages, so yeah lions would have existed there when the Bible was written.

"mmm,mmm, warm fuzzies"

That would be the hair and clothing mixed with bear shit.

Next Mormons try to refute the dna evidence bring up Nehemiah and how he ordered the men of Israel to get rid of their non-Jewish wives!! Nice find!

How come King David committed the nasty and then murdered to cover his ass? And STILL, God talked to him, and kept him as King.

I guess JS was no better at being truthful or chaste, and HE stayed in power, too.

And to think I struggled for YEARS, just trying to be a straight TBM, because that's what "the Lard expected of me."

*sigh* At least I wasn't a murderer.

What a bunch of baloney!

... from Alpha to Omega, as it were, you probably won't make it past Deuteronium or Leviticus. I recommend a study program in which you read one chapter in the bible every day, alternating books from the Old and New Testaments, and no, not necessarily everything, but you will read at least some chapters from every single book in the bible.

I did that a couple of years ago. Quite interesting.

The conundrum for believers:

If they start to tell you that the OT was "years ago" and that Christ did away with all things OT, then they would also have to dismiss and ignore the Ten Commandments, which they all quote to death, the way they ignore the law of NOT eating shellfish. Also they would have to dismiss and ignore the so-called prophecies about Christ (which the OT does NOT name in any way, shape or form). What to do, what to do?

It is generally accepteded lately that Isaiah 9:6 is speaking about the King Hezekiah.

6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the greatness of his government and peace
there will be no end.
He will reign on David’s throne
and over his kingdom,
establishing and upholding it
with justice and righteousness
from that time on and forever.
The zeal of the LORD Almighty
will accomplish this.

King Hezekiah?!?!

You've ruined Isaiah for me.

A lady in my ward and I used to break out singing pieces from the Messiah during SS last year.

An Israelite general sacrifices his daughter to God, only this time, no angel shows up at the last second to stay his hand. The deed is actually done. The dude promised to sacrifice the first thing that walked through his gate if his army was successful. His army was hugely successful. As it turns out, its not an animal that walks through his gate, its his daughter. So he kills her. The moral of the story: Don't make deals with god.

"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived." - Isaac Asimov

My wife was told that in Isaiah it speaks of airplanes.
Anyone else heard that? I've never been able to find it.

Man, this must be one of those "I know porn when I see it" episodes. I looked at all those photos and none stuck out as being porn. Dude! You're reaching on this one. It appears you think porn is defined by what the morg drilled into your head. I've seen better "porn" in an Avengers comic book.

Just sayin'...

Ron

Opps, wrong thread!

I mean, what DOESN'T say love like: "I will kill the most innocent being available to prove my point."?

Yep, this is a God of love all right -- who could doubt it?

Now where's a plane for me to fly into a building?