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Posted by: notsure ( )
Date: January 16, 2014 03:16PM

Can someone help me with this? What exactly is it and what does it mean?
Some one sent this to me.

Fwd:This is the story on mark hoffman selling his fake joseph smith documents to the church

http://www.i4m.com/think/jpeg/mark-hoffman.jpg

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Posted by: tokens4sale ( )
Date: January 16, 2014 03:29PM

Mark Hoffman conned the LDS church in the 1980s by making forgeries which claimed to have been written by Joseph Smith, Martin Harris, etc. He would also create documents that made the church look bad so good ol' Gordon bought them off Hoffman in an effort to keep them quiet. This is important for 2 reasons: it shows that the top leaders of LDS, INC. know that they are living a lie (coverups, etc), and that the "gift of discernment" is a bunch of bull.

When Hoffman was getting close to being caught over his fraudulent documents, he lost it and built homemade bombs which killed 2 people. He currently resides in Utah state prison.

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Posted by: Hold Your Tapirs ( )
Date: January 17, 2014 11:44AM

What's truly amazing about this story is the fact that BYU and FARMS quickly came up with "explanations" for the salamander letter.

FARMS Wrote:
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> In fact, as new research is showing, the salamander
> has been thought for millennia to have supernatural
> and extraordinary powers.

Do they really believe this drivel?

http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,1004062



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/17/2014 11:44AM by Hold Your Tapirs.

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Posted by: cynthus ( )
Date: January 16, 2014 03:31PM

Just a note-- Mark Hoffman never went to trial.

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Posted by: Doxi ( )
Date: January 16, 2014 04:47PM

cynthus Wrote:
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> Just a note-- Mark Hoffman never went to trial.

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Conveniently never went to trial.

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Posted by: ConcernedCitizen ( )
Date: January 16, 2014 06:07PM

...yeah. Never went to trial because Church attorneys would not "allow" Hinckley to testify, so prosecutors were forced to plea bargain it down. Here's a bunch of articles about the case on UTLM....scroll down to Mark Hoffman.

http://www.utlm.org/topicalindexb.htm

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Posted by: ConcernedCitizen ( )
Date: January 16, 2014 07:51PM

...please refer to Mark Hofmann as "Brother Hofmann"...thank you.

LDS Style Guide.

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Posted by: thedesertrat1 ( )
Date: January 16, 2014 04:51PM

read the book "The Mormon Murders"

All will be clarified

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Posted by: en passant ( )
Date: January 16, 2014 07:20PM

Also, A Gathering of Saints by Robert Lindsey. An excellent chronicle of the whole sordid saga, including the blatant, perfidious actions of Gordon B. Hinckley.

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Posted by: deco ( )
Date: January 16, 2014 04:55PM

One must wonder what LDS Inc offered to make him not go to trial.

I would suggest that the death penalty was probably traded for life in prison as not to embarrass LDS Inc.

If that was the case it should be chilling to anyone who believes that the United States should not be a theocracy.

We will never know what deals were made, what strings LDS Inc pulled to keep this out of a courtroom. However, I will always be convinced that LDS Inc. had their dirty little hands in it, and were certainly influencing legal matters they should have not been involved in.



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Posted by: en passant ( )
Date: January 16, 2014 07:22PM

...as it was a deal between the church and the Prosecutor's office.

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Posted by: deco ( )
Date: January 16, 2014 07:31PM

en passant Wrote:
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> ...as it was a deal between the church and the
> Prosecutor's office.

Exactly, and I would question what authority LDS Inc has to make deals with the prosecutors office, and wonder how the victims families dealt with such a miscarriage of justice.

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Posted by: cludgie ( )
Date: January 16, 2014 09:22PM

We all have to remember this when we have those talks with members and such about why Utah is, indeed, a theocracy. And a damned dishonest one. And God, Hinckley makes me so mad. Such a liar and douche bag. Just a bad nut.

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Posted by: Heartless ( )
Date: January 16, 2014 05:06PM

He did not limit himself to church documents.
He counterfeited money and forged many autographs.

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Posted by: misterzelph ( )
Date: January 16, 2014 05:13PM

Which book is best? Gathering of saints or mormon murders?

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Posted by: Out in England ( )
Date: January 16, 2014 05:24PM

misterzelph Wrote:
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> Which book is best? Gathering of saints or mormon
> murders?


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Both great books to be honest.

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Posted by: en passant ( )
Date: January 16, 2014 07:26PM

Both books are excellent. Great reporting from skilled journalists with extensive bibliography.

I greatly enjoy Lindsey's writing style in Gathering, and have read the book three times.

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Posted by: tenaciousd ( )
Date: January 16, 2014 05:37PM

For the 50th time ... It's H-O-F-M-A-N-N. Mnemonic: One 'F'orger, two 'n'urders.

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Posted by: L Tom Petty ( )
Date: January 16, 2014 05:49PM

"Salamander" is a really good book too if you want to learn more about Hofmann.

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Posted by: elbert ( )
Date: January 16, 2014 07:11PM

Mormon Murders, definitely;written by reporters--non LDS. Couldn't put it down.

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: January 16, 2014 07:34PM

Interesting. Of those men only Packer and Mark H. are still alive.

The perpetrator and the prophet in waiting.

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Posted by: The 1st FreeAtLast ( )
Date: January 16, 2014 09:06PM

Details about Hofmann and his relationship with LD$ General Authorities, incl. various apostles, are in "The Mormon Murders: A True Story of Greed, Forgery, Deceit, and Death" by Steven Naifeh and Gregory White Smith. Publishers Weekly said of their book, which was first published in 1988:

"As part of a scathing depiction of a deceitful, materialistic Mormon Church, lawyers Naifeh and Smith (co-editors of the biennial directory The Best Lawyers in America, etc.) point out that the 1985 Salt Lake City scandals and bombings that convulsed the community had a precedent in certain dubious practices of the church’s prophet and founder Joseph Smith. The suspenseful plot, involving a series of murders and a large cast of Mormons and police investigators, centers on the purchase and suppression by church officials of authentic and forged documents that cast doubts on basic tenets of their faith and attested to the cover-up of Smith’s unsavory past. Under the threat of blackmail, the church bought many of these documents from the dealer-bomber Mark Hofmann; according to the authors, Hoffmann, after confessing the murders and forgeries, was allowed, thanks to the church’s political influence, to plea bargain the murder indictment into a manslaughter charge thereby sparing the church an embarrassing trial that could have revealed its complicity."

(Ref. http://www.amazon.com/Mormon-Murders-Onyx-Steven-Naifeh/dp/0451401522 )

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Posted by: verilyverily ( )
Date: January 17, 2014 02:29AM

Check these out:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Mormon-Murders-by-Steven-Naifeh-and-Gregory-White-Smith-/320766006593?pt=US_Nonfiction_Book&hash=item4aaf24d541

and
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SALAMANDER-The-Story-of-the-Mormon-Forgery-Murders-/221350437871?pt=US_Nonfiction_Book&hash=item338983a3ef

Either of these are good sources about this - the first one reads somewhat like a murder mystery even though it is all true.

Mark Hofmann also had a bomb that went off in his own car and injured himself as part of the cover-up. There are pics of Hinckley and Hofmann together in this book (the top one anyway). I heard he is sharing a cell with one of the Lafferty boys (polygamy murder case who killed his sister-in-law and her daughter in blood atonement deal. Fuck, TSCC is a mess.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/17/2014 02:34AM by verilyverily.

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