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Just wondering???
I read a bit about black history and the LDS church and I have some questions.
If black people didn;t have full rights in the LDS church unitl a couple of years ago, and couldn't have a proper place in heaven because they were black and had to enter as servants..
Than the church changed it's mind ad then they were allowed full rights and they could now go to heaven properly.
My questions are
1. What happened to the blacks who were already in heaven, did the new rules suddenly apply to them in heaven?
2. If a black couple could not have a temple marriage, how did the woman get to heaven?
3. If black people were the servents in heaven, and then were allowed to have full rights, who are they using as servants now?
Thanks
I read a bit about black history and the LDS church and I have some questions.
If black people didn;t have full rights in the LDS church unitl a couple of years ago, and couldn't have a proper place in heaven because they were black and had to enter as servants..
Than the church changed it's mind ad then they were allowed full rights and they could now go to heaven properly.
My questions are
1. What happened to the blacks who were already in heaven, did the new rules suddenly apply to them in heaven?
2. If a black couple could not have a temple marriage, how did the woman get to heaven?
3. If black people were the servents in heaven, and then were allowed to have full rights, who are they using as servants now?
Thanks
They just pull it out of their ar**s - like Joe, they make it up as they go along, changing as and when convenient.
barristiababe Wrote:
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> Just wondering???
>
> I read a bit about black history and the LDS
> church and I have some questions.
>
> If black people didn;t have full rights in the LDS
> church unitl a couple of years ago, and couldn't
> have a proper place in heaven because they were
> black and had to enter as servants..
>
> Than the church changed it's mind ad then they
> were allowed full rights and they could now go to
> heaven properly.
>
> My questions are
> 1. What happened to the blacks who were already in
> heaven, did the new rules suddenly apply to them
> in heaven?
>
Yes, I think Mormons would agree with that.
> 2. If a black couple could not have a temple
> marriage, how did the woman get to heaven?
>
Mormons believe in more than one level of heaven. Only the top heaven is off limits with out a temple marriage.
> 3. If black people were the servents in heaven,
> and then were allowed to have full rights, who are
> they using as servants now?
Just because black people were believed to be servants in heaven, it does not mean only blacks were believed to be servants. Anyone who does not obtain the highest kingdom will be servants according to Mormon doctrine.
>
> Thanks
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> Just wondering???
>
> I read a bit about black history and the LDS
> church and I have some questions.
>
> If black people didn;t have full rights in the LDS
> church unitl a couple of years ago, and couldn't
> have a proper place in heaven because they were
> black and had to enter as servants..
>
> Than the church changed it's mind ad then they
> were allowed full rights and they could now go to
> heaven properly.
>
> My questions are
> 1. What happened to the blacks who were already in
> heaven, did the new rules suddenly apply to them
> in heaven?
>
Yes, I think Mormons would agree with that.
> 2. If a black couple could not have a temple
> marriage, how did the woman get to heaven?
>
Mormons believe in more than one level of heaven. Only the top heaven is off limits with out a temple marriage.
> 3. If black people were the servents in heaven,
> and then were allowed to have full rights, who are
> they using as servants now?
Just because black people were believed to be servants in heaven, it does not mean only blacks were believed to be servants. Anyone who does not obtain the highest kingdom will be servants according to Mormon doctrine.
>
> Thanks
> Just because black people were believed to be
> servants in heaven, it does not mean only blacks
> were believed to be servants. Anyone who does not
> obtain the highest kingdom will be servants
> according to Mormon doctrine.
>
> >
> > Thanks
This is not correct Helamon. It was specifically taught that even if Blacks qualified for the CK, they would only be there as servants.
That is the distinction - a Black person can make it to the CK but only as a servant.
I believe this is what the OP was talking about. Not those who didn't attain the CK. Correct me if I'm wrong OP.
I don't have answers to any of your questions. I personally believe it's all BS and they just make it up as they go along to fit the times (even if the church trails decades behind normal society).
I am half Black so I have to admit that my discovery of the racist doctrines (and lack of much needed clarification on them by the church) was my #1 reason for leaving.
> servants in heaven, it does not mean only blacks
> were believed to be servants. Anyone who does not
> obtain the highest kingdom will be servants
> according to Mormon doctrine.
>
> >
> > Thanks
This is not correct Helamon. It was specifically taught that even if Blacks qualified for the CK, they would only be there as servants.
That is the distinction - a Black person can make it to the CK but only as a servant.
I believe this is what the OP was talking about. Not those who didn't attain the CK. Correct me if I'm wrong OP.
I don't have answers to any of your questions. I personally believe it's all BS and they just make it up as they go along to fit the times (even if the church trails decades behind normal society).
I am half Black so I have to admit that my discovery of the racist doctrines (and lack of much needed clarification on them by the church) was my #1 reason for leaving.
I am caucasian and the thing that led me into investigating the history of the church, was when my brother sent me a pm regarding blacks being used as tithing during Brigham Young's time.
To find out the servants bit was just far to much on top of everything else. I could hardly believe that Joseph Smith was having slaves sealed to him to be his servants in the CK, but it is true. What a perversion...
To find out the servants bit was just far to much on top of everything else. I could hardly believe that Joseph Smith was having slaves sealed to him to be his servants in the CK, but it is true. What a perversion...
Although I gotta honk my horn at my ol' buddy "Imaworkin'" above for a really good answer...
Most of the atheists here will say, "Don't worry about the answers to that one; there's no such thing as heaven."
Many others will probably nod and answer how questions like the ones you asked are why the are here...
Most of the atheists here will say, "Don't worry about the answers to that one; there's no such thing as heaven."
Many others will probably nod and answer how questions like the ones you asked are why the are here...
Because perfect people clean up after THEMSELVES.
(And there will be tons of extra women there, anyway, just in case).
(And there will be tons of extra women there, anyway, just in case).
Keeping in mind that it is all BS anyway:
1.Black people already in heaven would now be eligible to have their temple work done posthumously, and thus would be able to reach the CK.
2. Black women could not make it to the CK prior to 1978 (although one black sister was sealed to JS for eternity as a servant). After 1978, they can have the necessary ordinances done - see #1.
3. The servants now will be those who were otherwise righteous enough to reach the CK, but who did not enter into the New and Everlasting Covenant (of marriage).
DISCLAIMER: The above should not be interpreted as official Mormon doctrine as official Mormon doctrine is extremely difficult to identify as it is very elusive, kept carefully concealed, and subject to change without prior notice through the medium of modern revelation (with the assistance of public relations firms, member surveys, and focus groups).
Thank you. That is all.
1.Black people already in heaven would now be eligible to have their temple work done posthumously, and thus would be able to reach the CK.
2. Black women could not make it to the CK prior to 1978 (although one black sister was sealed to JS for eternity as a servant). After 1978, they can have the necessary ordinances done - see #1.
3. The servants now will be those who were otherwise righteous enough to reach the CK, but who did not enter into the New and Everlasting Covenant (of marriage).
DISCLAIMER: The above should not be interpreted as official Mormon doctrine as official Mormon doctrine is extremely difficult to identify as it is very elusive, kept carefully concealed, and subject to change without prior notice through the medium of modern revelation (with the assistance of public relations firms, member surveys, and focus groups).
Thank you. That is all.