http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1339882/Calls-anti-Semitic-student-leader-quit-Facebook-message-Jews.html#ixzz18YbXts00

>A radical student leader who dismissed the violent tuition fees protests as ‘a few smashed windows’ has been accused of making anti-Semitic comments on a social networking site.

>Mature student Clare Solomon, 37, president of the University of London Union, helped co-ordinate the protests – during which a car carrying Prince Charles and Camilla was attacked – and declared herself proud of the students....Ms Solomon, who was raised as a Mormon...

Oh, dear. Practising or ex?

"Solomon" sounds Hebrew to me,

That's as maybe, but Jewish students are terribly upset by her remarks.

she made, and there was absolutely nothing anti-semitic or racist about them.
She simply said that Jews have not been persecuted throughout all of history. Which is a fact. Amazing how people get crucified for telling the truth!

BadGirl Wrote:
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> she made, and there was absolutely nothing
> anti-semitic or racist about them.
> She simply said that Jews have not been persecuted
> throughout all of history. Which is a fact.
> Amazing how people get crucified for telling the
> truth!

Oh, great. An Anti-Semite has turned up. Wish I'd not started this thread, now. >:||

Try using some logic.
I treat all people equally. Jews don't get special status with me. Nobody does. All people are equal.
It is a FACT that Jews have NOT been persecuted throughout all of human history.
Back up your accusations.

BadGirl Wrote:
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> Try using some logic.
> I treat all people equally. Jews don't get
> special status with me. Nobody does. All people
> are equal.
> It is a FACT that Jews have NOT been persecuted
> throughout all of human history.
> Back up your accusations.

BadGirl, I'll set you some homework. Google Jewish pogroms in Russia and Poland, then check out the massacre of the Jews of York.

You don't even know what it means.
I'm still waiting.

tap tap tap tap

Maybe not through all of history, but they have been persecuted a lot. Ever heard of the Holocaust, the sack of Jerusalem, the Russian pogroms?

And the massacre of the Jews of York? For example?

of people.
If you believe they have, please explain WHY you think they are being "targeted"?
Black Africans have been persecuted MORE than Jews HANDS DOWN

BadGirl Wrote:
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> of people.
> If you believe they have, please explain WHY you
> think they are being "targeted"?
> Black Africans have been persecuted MORE than Jews
> HANDS DOWN

That's an interesting claim. Though, of course, it seems to denigrate the problems suffered by African Jews.



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slave trade than all your "pogroms" combined.
The thing is, they are all just people to me and it doesn't matter if they were Jewish or African or Asian or whatever.

My statement that Jews have not been persecuted throughout all of human history is NOT an antisemitic statement and it certainly does not make me antisemitic. I am not anti-anybody.

BadGirl Wrote:
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> slave trade than all your "pogroms" combined.
> The thing is, they are all just people to me and
> it doesn't matter if they were Jewish or African
> or Asian or whatever.
>
> My statement that Jews have not been persecuted
> throughout all of human history is NOT an
> antisemitic statement and it certainly does not
> make me antisemitic. I am not anti-anybody.

Slavery is only profitable if the slaves a kept ALIVE. Killing blacks in large number would hardly be a smart thing to do. Black slavery has only existed in relatively modern times. During most of history, people of all colors were enslved as a consequence of losing a war or breaking the law.Blacks were treated no differently than anyone else until relatively modern times

More black Africans died during the slave trade than died during the Holocaust --- FAR MORE.
It was not intentional for the slave-traders to lose their LIVESTOCK in this way, but it was considered no different than that -- LIVESTOCK.
Many were lost at sea, thrown into the ocean to die there. Oh well. This BLACK part of history is not taught to us white people in school. There are a lot of things we were not taught, or were taught WRONGLY.
It is you and Matt who really need to fill in the holes in your history.

BadGirl Wrote:
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> More black Africans died during the slave trade
> than died during the Holocaust --- FAR MORE.
> It was not intentional for the slave-traders to
> lose their LIVESTOCK in this way, but it was
> considered no different than that -- LIVESTOCK.
> Many were lost at sea, thrown into the ocean to
> die there. Oh well. This BLACK part of history
> is not taught to us white people in school. There
> are a lot of things we were not taught, or were
> taught WRONGLY.
> It is you and Matt who really need to fill in the
> holes in your history.

I know a lot of blacks died. BTW history is my field so don't treat me like an idiot. Back up your claims. Let's see some statistics of blacks who died in the slave trade and Jews who died in all the pogroms and in the Holocaust combined. The pogroms have been going on since the early Middle Ages.



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Plan on doing that some time?

BadGirl Wrote:
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> slave trade than all your "pogroms" combined.
> The thing is, they are all just people to me and
> it doesn't matter if they were Jewish or African
> or Asian or whatever.
>
> My statement that Jews have not been persecuted
> throughout all of human history is NOT an
> antisemitic statement and it certainly does not
> make me antisemitic. I am not anti-anybody.

"your" pogroms? What a weird thing to say.

BadGirl Wrote:
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> of people.
> If you believe they have, please explain WHY you
> think they are being "targeted"?
> Black Africans have been persecuted MORE than Jews
> HANDS DOWN

Not for the same length of time. Yes, I agree that other groups have been persecuted, but Jews are the only ones who have been marked for totally annihilation. Ever heard of Hitler and his goal of a Jew free Europe if not a Jew free world? You need to study some history.

history.
And Jews have done plenty of persecuting themselves, when they had the power to do so.
Power corrupts, and it corrupts everybody.

Jews do not get special status.

Bad Girl, you do not know what you are talking about and I am not going to argue with you because I have learned from experience that it is pointless. Like I said, study some history.I do agree that Jews are not the only ones who have suffered and that they have done their own persecution, but that doesn't not mean they haven't suffered extreme persecution for over 2000 years.

You have studied nothing about Black African history, and you are in fact agreeing with my statement that Jews have not been persecuted throughout ALL of human history.
You have also neglected to explain to my exactly why you believe Jews have been specifically targeted for persecution. Do you believe they are "special"?

CONSIDER YOURSELF PWNED.

BadGirl Wrote:
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> You have studied nothing about Black African
> history, and you are in fact agreeing with my
> statement that Jews have not been persecuted
> throughout ALL of human history.
> You have also neglected to explain to my exactly
> why you believe Jews have been specifically
> targeted for persecution. Do you believe they are
> "special"?
>
> CONSIDER YOURSELF PWNED.

I have studied African history. I doubt you have.

BadGirl Wrote:
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> You have studied nothing about Black African
> history, and you are in fact agreeing with my
> statement that Jews have not been persecuted
> throughout ALL of human history.
> You have also neglected to explain to my exactly
> why you believe Jews have been specifically
> targeted for persecution. Do you believe they are
> "special"?
>
> CONSIDER YOURSELF PWNED.

Sure, you know what I have studied. Right! Consider yourself a mindreader? Wow. I had no idea that you know me better than I do.

Like anti-Semitism, the bad treatment of Africans by the Muslims, the ill-treatment of the population of South America by the Spanish invaders? The ill treatment of the Australian Aborigines by the British settlers?

Can you really be so ignorant of anything outside of America? That's really quite sad.

You really are pulling things out of your ass now.
Because you cannot support the accusation you made, you are changing the subject.

BadGirl Wrote:
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> You really are pulling things out of your ass
> now.
> Because you cannot support the accusation you
> made, you are changing the subject.

Ah, now you are replacing ignorance with rudeness.

you still refuse you back up your accusation.

All the other groups of people you mentioned have also been persecuted. Golly gee, how can that be? They weren't even Jews!

None of the mentioned groups were persecuted during, say, the Jurassic period.

WELL THAT'S WHAT I HEARD!

Timothy

What my people went through...

The one and only POINT I am making here is that the statement is not "antisemitic".
People need to pull their heads out.

Timothy Wrote:
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> None of the mentioned groups were persecuted
> during, say, the Jurassic period.
>
> WELL THAT'S WHAT I HEARD!
>
> Timothy

They had no beer, Timothy. They all suffered in their own way.

I shudder at the notion, Matt!

Timothy

is this part: "is one that has been fabricated in the last 100 or so years to justify the persecution of Palestinians..."

That would be my guess, of course, in that this has been an issue in the U.K. since the BBC was accused of anti-Israel bias in about 2007.

Link: http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/critiques/6_Month_Analysis_of_the_BBC_The_Subtle_Bias.asp

Quote:

"While the BBC does not overtly distort facts in its Middle East coverage, a number of subtle biases combine to create a false impression of the Israel-Palestinian conflict. As a result, the British public and the BBC's many international viewers are poorly equipped to assess the situation accurately."

"By presenting coverage that builds empathy for the Palestinians at the expense of Israelis, the BBC is manipulating public opinion rather than promoting open debate & the foundation of democratic action."

"Readers should insist on coverage that allows all relevant voices equal time and space to present their views. Only then is the public good truly being served."

And this isn't in reaction to white supremacists and neo-nazis, rather it is a direct indictment of the liberal side of the political equation. In this instance, at any rate.



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