Even though I think there should be free expression on the board, and I shoot off my mouth often, I think we should draw the line when members of this board use a syndrome like Aspergers as a cheap unintelligent way to insult someone else. I was surprised to read 665 1/2 insinuating I have Aspergers as a way to insult me in his thread called "Do you think religion deludes an artist expressivness." I don't have Aspergers but would not be ashamed if I did.

I don't think this should be tolerated on a board where several people have openly talked about having Aspergers and there is nothing to be ashamed of if anyone does.

I think this is every bit as nasty as racism, sexism, etc.

and I don't know what his problem is.

You ever have a problem like that again, just send an email to admin. They can soon sort things out before even more bad feelings are caused.

By the way, he asked if I've seen the film about Aspergers and Stalking.

http://fourfour.typepad.com/fourfour/2011/01/neglected-in-10-the-i-think-were-alone-now-commentaries.html

So he's implying people with Aspergers are stalkers. If I did have Aspergers I'd be asking he be removed from this forum.

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> So he's implying people with Aspergers are
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> he be removed from this forum.

If you feel a concern about this (even if you DON'T have Aspergers) or anything else, report it to admin.

not cool to mock people with a disorder they struggle with. It's not a choice to have Asperger's, and it's a real, debilitating handicap. It's debilitating to one's whole life, partly because people are intolerant of Aspies' behaviors, and so sanction the sufferer, usually with exclusion. So Aspies have a hard time keeping a job, mostly because of intolerance.

I have Aspergers, but it's not really a disorder. We may feel comfortable within close proximity to other people, Tend to feel edgy when people interupt our so called "space bubble". But we still have control of our choices how to respond.

As an Aspie, I have to take responsibility that I am in full command of my mind, that I must chose socially healthy ways to deal with these uncomfortable internactions. I'm currently in China now, with 1.6 Billion people stimulating my mind with ultra sensory stimulations, example, morse code conversations with car horns. (opps speak of the devil), rusty train wheels, rusty machinery that girates like some sex toy, outside voice INDOORS, my brain is a malstrom sea of Neptune's wraith (or a wave pool), of Dizziness.

But I really can't freak out, and don't expect them to conform to my minority world 1/1,600,000,000

The sad thing however is the Chiense children, adults with condition. They're not getting the help to adjust to this very noisy and freaky world. The Poliburo promises more research, but they lack the professional staff who knows about this. Mental Illness has always traditionally been on the back burner of the enlightened and spritual Chinese intellgestia. Only until serious snafus, for instance a child jumping from the roof, to enter a "World of Warcraft" Instance portal.

Or a bunch of knife weilding maniacs slicing up children, or a bunch of truck drivers driving in to children (Japan), or a School boy, shooting up a university (Cho Seung Hui), are these serious issues addressed. "Socialism is Good... very very gooddddd socialism is very very very good" (Chinese hymn).

Like With Aspergers because the world is woefully behind to help us cope with their world, and adjust to living in it, productively using our powerful minds to enrich an economy and society. And truly presistant Aspies actually do make it, like take Walt Disney. motto "Keep moving forward". Or mine a bunch of grumbling sounds, as I move forward. With poor attitude making me look like a Schmuck an unlovable asshole who does good things. That's the only quality my mom says I have. I may not have a strong mind, but I have a good heart. *fail Price of right whooop whopppp whopppp sound*.

but Aspergers has always been a blessing to me, sure it has made me the neighborhood creep among the kids, the kid who gets globs of glue on my fingers during crafts, or who sucks at video games, sports, and driving, and who has problems steering his little brother's stroller, and who's the inspiration of the silly Japanese soldier (on this Wacky WWII movie about some spies on a Japanese ship, and the soldier causes all kinds of havoc and amuckery), and the real life version of the little boy from "Up". (especially with flinging the tent down the waterfall cliff), and the disability to not censor what ever implusive thing that comes to my mind, as the vocabulary doesn't exist to stop me.....

It has given me nerdy super human powers to exist among other nerds, and be unintentionally funny because we say such weird stuff, and possess higher IQs. why my IQ is so high it's 91 instead of 90. Whoooopie Goldberg!!!!!!!1 for me.

But anyways, another question I like to ask. How is Autism viewed in Mormondom, which is a very close knit community, especially in the core. Where community events such as scouting, sports, and other minivan like activities full of cute and cuddly families in a warm mini van, deal with Autism, Aspergers especially?

I was a Mormon as a young adult, and many YSA members tried to fellow with me, tried to get me to come out, call me up, and geniunely be friendly as we're young, and I came out to some, especially to dances. I did feel saftey with a group of them, especially since we're young and it became like a second family. Especially temple trips, when you drive in the card, talk about typical things young people talk about. But in this case, clean topics, especially temple urban legends,

Firesides, held at the Bishops house (clever guy) to reinenforce the feeling of familia. But I somehow felt very shy, and preferred to stay at home. It's odd, the Mormons, especially this girl in high school, were technically my ONLY friends that actually came to my house as my guests. I had no friends in high school, jr high.... Most of my friends were my brother's friends. Ohhh the Irony.

Yet I also prefered to live a insulated life. I still live this way. Perfering 3 hour, friends from movies, or games, and online friends. One of them happenes to be a Mormon lady, she sometimes posts here, but not often. Although I'm not a Mormon anymore. We're still good friends. I call her a surrogate "Auntie". Infact she's the only friend who still emails me now. As everyone has been imported to Facebook, and other such sites. most of my friends have traditionally been Penpals, when snail mail was still in fashion.

But happycatland can't be too isolated and hermitive, it'll need some eventual but limited opening up to a increasing globalized world, but on our terms. I've been used alot when Caseyland has opened up to quickly. I will have to learn to be more selective in my choice of friends.

My 9yr old son has Asperger's and I want so badly to understand what goes on in his sweet little head sometimes.

He is so bright and talented in someways, yet is so sensitive and struggles so hard in other ways.

As his mother, I struggle between the fierce desire to protect him from everyone and everything, and the knowledge that some things he is going to have to figure on his own in order to be able to function in society.

Fortunately he has 3 sisters, 1 older & 2 younger that alternately protect him and 'toughen' him up (I don't mean toughen in the cruel and abusive sense, only in the 'sometimes his own needs and rituals must be sacrificed on the alter of group dynamics' ie: sharing, noise, scheduling. I hope that makes sense.)

I love to hear about adults with Asperger's and how they see the world and especially how they have learned to navigate the sometimes very un-Asperger's-friendly world.

Yep, learning about adults and how they came to be who they are is one of many ways I try to understand our son.

My condition should NOT be used as an insult. It's no different than using a racial slur.

My mother couldn't understand why I was excited to have Aspergers. I don't see it as a slur at all. To me, it just suddenly explained so much in my life that I was like, "Oh! So that's why!"

I certainly don't feel disabled in any way. It's just a part of who I am. The social aspects of it can be extremely frustrating at times, but they don't seem to bother me when I'm on-line. I feel free to be myself when I'm on-line and I'm not exactly shy then. LOL

In person, people either label me as shy, or not very social. I can't help what they think, so I just try not to worry about it too much.

But yeah, it's rather startling to find anyone thinking of it as an insult. There's nothing wrong with me, thank you very much. I have some challenges, but I work around them.

Yes, I have things in my personality that I have to struggle to compensate for. Don't we all? OTOH, there are some things that I am notably better at than the average bear, like math, or tighly focused analysis of a complex problem. I also turned out to be a pretty good sailor, because the trigonometry of sailing is something I just innately understood from day one

I ended up in academia (not unusual for Aspies) and in software engineering, which I am convinced is THE occupation of choice for Aspies. I'd bet money Bill Gates is an Aspie, at least borderline.

665 N 1/2 better watch himself. If word gets around that he insults Aspies, his smartphone will never work again.

Just sayin'

And thanks for the spirited defense, Cristina

"If word gets around that he insults Aspies, his smartphone will never work again"

LOL!

My son has wanted to be a scientist since he was about 6. He was in love with 'technogoly' (how he said it) since they first started teaching it in school.

One summer night, I lay out a blanket for my kids and I to do some star gazing. He didn't want to share the blanket with his 3 squirmy sisters and I, so he got out a magnifying glass, pencil, paper, and notebook and sat on the porch under the light and drew detailed and labeled diagrams of the ants crawling around next to him. He was about 7 then.

If I had to sum up my beautiful 'Aspie' son in one story, that would be the one.

Aww, I like 665 N 1/2

Don't be too harsh. We all have our days... (I'm sure he feels justified).

In fact, I might finish off this bottle and let you ALL have it!!!!


WHA ha ha !!!

So, the point was...

you don't understand a person in what they present, you only understand them in the way you perceive their presentation.

Despite this post, he started another one giving an analysis of the traits he says aspergers have--all negative--which is why he thinks I have it and recommended the movie on aspergers stalking because he said it might help me. Might help me be a better asperger stalker i think. Claims another poster and he (experieneheals probably,his buddy) made the diagnosis. Linking aspergers with mental illness and obseessive stalking again without apology or respect. More offensive than the original.

You won't be seeing it because admin pulled it within seconds.

If he keeps having hard days, I'm going to invite him over for a free prostate exam.

Yes, Bill Gates is an Aspie.

And you're exactly right when you state that we all have aspects of our personalities that we have to learn to work around. Exactly, dude.

Nerd fight nerd fight.....

Bill Gates is Pttttthbbbbbllll. Steve Jobs and Wozniack are true Aspie Wizards.

And on this note... Tesla powns Edison.

It's really hard to be a Mormon when you're not a really social person.

I have a friend with both chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia. That's not Asperger's of course, but I find that the attitude of her TBM relatives is always that if she is just righteous enough, she won't be sick anymore.

I imagine it's very much the same with Asperger's or anything else in a lot of cases. They figure the person is being tried and tested, or that they're not being righteous enough.

It always hurt my heart to see how Mormonism hurt shy people or people uncomfortable with public speaking. I remember a Relief Society president calling on a very shy new member to speak without prior notice. She was so embarrassed and so terrified.

Something that played around in my head for so long was why Gods one true church would be set up in such a way that caused humiliation to those who couldn't tolerate public speaking for one reason or another. How God could set up a church that was a source of stress and pressure for people who wanted to be fully integrated into the church but felt less than others because they were uncomfortable with teaching, public speaking, bearing testimony, private personal interviews, etc.

I guess that's one good thing about my personality. It's very difficult for anyone to talk me into doing something that I don't want to do.

It took me 14 years to finally agree to give a talk. LOL

I think you just learn coping mechanisms as you grow older, so it becomes a little less apparent as you age.

My little nephew will be 9 in March. He's also an Aspie. I feel badly for him when I watch him struggle in groups.

But I just adore that kid. He's so bright and so interesting to talk to. His brain is like a sponge and he absorbs so much knowledge.

He has read every single one of the Harry Potter books and remembers all the names and has no problems pronouncing them. He's just plain scary smart. By the time he's 10, he's going to be smarter than all of us. LOL

and he will be 10.
Do u mind if I ask when your nephew's b-day is?

No matter how the topic started out, I think it turned into an interesting discussion. I guess because it's something I can relate to.

The 13th.

Seems reality still lacks respect amongst the learned.

Timothy