I always liked that game "Where's Waldo?" So lately I've been playing "Where's Lucifer?"

I've been looking for him in all these bibles. I look in Job, Ruth, Genesis, Leveticus...you name it. Sadly I ain't havin' much luck.

I looked in "The Holy Bible English Standard Version," "The New International Version," "The HCSB," "The Contemporary English Version," and the list goes on.

Pretty much the game is NO FUN. I can only find Lucifer in the KJV. That guy is one tricky bastard. How did he end up in the Book of Mormon?

It couldn't be an error could it???



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I think he hides in the salt lake temple, in the laundry room.

Hey, it's a living.

I saw him drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's.

His hair was perfect.

No...Wait.....Wrong monster....



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"I'd like to meet his tailor."

I got it too, and I love that song, elee.

Yes... I got it first thing yesterday, good for a laugh. Couldn't think of anything witty or appropriate to say.

Rip, WZ

Lucifer came from the Greek translation of the Bible as a translation of the word Phosphoros. The KJV relied heavily on the Greek Bible because it was readily available and in a language understood by Europeans. The Biblical reference to Son of the Morning and falling from heaven was interpreted at the time of the KJV as Satan. Since then, it has been shown that the scripture in question was a reference to the King of Babylon.

Here's the King James Version - Isaiah 14: 12 "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"

(King James Version)

A correct translation - Isaiah 14: 12 "You, the bright morning star, have fallen from the sky! You brought down other nations; now you are brought down."

(Contemporary English Version)

This verse obviously refers to the King of Babylon, not the devil. At the time, Jews didn't even believe in a devil. If the Book of Mormon was a real translation, this wouldn't have ended up in it.

Also, thanks everyone for the funny replies...I guess I've been looking for Lucifer in all the wrong places... :)



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Actually the Hebrews did believe in Satan. He was a member of God's court, charged with testing people. There was no hell, but Satan was a being that they knew. Read Job, which was a Hebrew tale.

or "The Satan."

If you look at the hebrew it's one word. He's different from the Christian notion of satan though. Whether or not jews believed in Ha Satan at the time Isaiah was written I think is debatable, but, as noted, doesn't matter because it's not the same thing.

The Christian idea of the devil wasn't developed until very late, and only some apocolyptic jews fell for the gig. Today my understanding is all jews reject the Satan myth.



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lol

"Linguistic Problems of Mormonism" at http://packham.n4m.org/linguist.htm

Also see my article on Satan and how to identify Satan (according to scripture)
http://packham.n4m.org/satan.htm

nice links

edit: ok you wrote it lol. even better!



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Also, if you can find the mp3 for Richard's exmo conference talk on the linguistic problems...it's a must.



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I found him.... there he is.... right there... wearing the red and white striped shirt and hat, and blue pants.

I wonder how many parents that book would upset.



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Isn't he busy writing a General Conference talk?

lol

He's a talking head on Fox News.

I'll bet the real Devil uses a Mac.

I mean really. You'd think the grand exalted ruler of the entire universe could come up with something better than a rock in a hat, when the iPod/Pad/Phone would be created less than 2 centuries later.

As for Jobs being Satan, he has rooms full of black mock turtlenecks instead of white and delightsome shirts and ties, everything he touches turns to gold, people with taste (code for gays?) love his stuff, and he survived creating the Apple III and the Newton. That at least proves a pact with the devil, if not being Old Scratch hisself.

I keep him in a closet and only bring him out when I have a party and need someone to serve drinks.

I heard him walking by outside just now. He was dragging chains and laughing.

That bastard things he is so hard to find!

...there's always like two of them on the page.

It's kind of like the temple movies. When I found out there was two of them, I was like, so which one's the real one?

Or do I have to watch out for both of 'em?

The last time I heard from him he had this to say:


"I will take the treasures of the earth, and with gold and silver I will buy up armies and navies, false priests who oppress and tyrants who destroy, and reign with blood and horror on the earth!"

"Now is the great day of my power. I reign from the rivers to the ends of the earth. There is none who dares to molest or make afraid."

But that was a long, long time ago. He seems to just be laying low now days.

“There ain't no devil, it's just god when he's drunk”. Tom Waits
;D

Lucifer when he was done tempting Jesus...spoke with JS and now we have Mormons..he's a busy boy.

stormy

Lucifer, Lucifer
Crispy little Lucifer
Light bearer, morning star
Wonder what the hell you are

Burnt too quick, like a wick
Candled in the tawny thick
Anti-Christ of sunrise
One deformed goat sacrificed