A few Friday evenings ago, a couple of TBM co-workers were lamenting the demise of Glenn Beck. Somehow, the conversation ended up by them discussing a female Utah teacher who was sentenced to 30 years for having sexual relations with one of her male students. After that, one of TBM priesthood holders began to describe that "All men would admit that 14-16 year old girls are the most sexually attractive females, but as a mature adult male, you know you shouldn't do that." I didn't really know what to say other than as a man, I find 14-16 year old girls to be children and am only attracted to mature adult women.

Perhaps this guy just has it in his genes?... somehow he may be the product of a long history of polygamous marriages of mature high priests with young 14-16 year old girls?

Any comments?

And I do not think 14 year old girls are attractive at all. Of course I am gay, but even still, I don't think men get to be attractive until at least 25 years old and most often not until they are about 35.

I'm not sure how I would have responded to what was said, but I do think I would have felt the need to respond.

Wow, 19-30 year old women are spectacular, 30+ women are mature and can teach you lessons and are spectacular (Jennifer Aniston...).

14-16 year old girls will get you 20.

That is bizarre. But I have heard numerous "adult" males make comments about underage teens from time to time.



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I've always been most attracted to what would be called MILFs. In fact, when I was 19, I dated a 30 year-old woman. Learned more that summer than anyone can imagine.

Sounds to me like this TBM guy is a child molester in the making.

This is an interesting thread. A few years back, a radio program I was listening to in Orange County posed the question, "At what age to you find the majority of woman attractive?"

This radio program was geared toward men.

I was expecting all these calls to come in with a preference for 18 - 22 year olds. While there were a handful of those responses, the huge majority was for the late twenties to late thirties.

I personally find 14-16 year old girls "half-baked." Of course, I am a girl...

Confidence plays a big part in sexual attraction and that tends to come along much, much later.

I can tell you that I'm a hell of a lot better looking now than I was at 14.

It feels creepy that these TBM think that "All men" find that age group the most attractive.

I notice if a teen girl is cute, but my thought doesn't go further than, "She's cute" before my mind is onto something else. On the other hand, a woman who has more going than youth and looks gets a lot more thought and depth of feeling from me (awe, lust, longing, admiration, appreciation in some combination).

It also occurs to me that Mormons tend to give fleeting thoughts much too much importance, which, of course, makes them stick. I guess that comes from believing God is a voyeur who reads your thoughts and punishes you for them. I certainly wouldn't depend on their reactions as a useful scale by which to evaluate the importance of thoughts and feelings.

robertb Wrote:
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> I notice if a teen girl is cute, but my thought
> doesn't go further than, "She's cute" before my
> mind is onto something else. On the other hand, a
> woman who has more going than youth and looks gets
> a lot more thought and depth of feeling from me
> (awe, lust, longing, admiration, appreciation in
> some combination).
>

Very similar for me. The younger one I might notice briefly in a general sense, and the older ones get my mind really digging in and wondering about.

I agree with you both.

I define myself as heterosexual, but I tend to hate those "boxes" we get put in. I notice women and men that are attractive. I am sexually attracted to women, but not on the same plane or level as I am for men.

I have the same "he's cute" or "she's cute" reaction when I notice a teenager, but I also notice when babies, toddlers and children are cute. I'm not lusting after an eight year old boy because I think he's a handsome kid.

At what age does the attraction set-in past the "oh, he's/she's cute?"

It's not an age for me, though it is relative as age brings experience, maturity, confidence, knowledge, social skills, and a those little laugh lines around the eyes that turn me on. ;)

So, it's like saying, age has nothing and everything to do with it.

On the other end, I've always had a thing for much older men. As a teenager, I'd lust after the 30-40 year olds. Even now, at 30, if I was dating, I'd be looking at the late 30 to early 50 year old men. The age gap is just a big, just in the opposite direction.

But, that's just me.



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No one wants to admit something socialy unnacceptable so I doubt there will be a lot of posters saying they lust 14 yr olds.

But, evolution and survival of the species theory would suggest that healthy males would naturally be attracted to the youngest females they can mate with.

Evolution could favor females for many reasons. It may be the strongest, the best hunter, the oldest, but likely not the youngest unproven female. Take wolf packs for example, they have an Alpha male and an Alpha female.

"The pack leader isn't necessarily the alpha male [source: Busch]. The alpha female takes the reins in certain groups since wolf rankings are based on strength and the ability to win fights, not gender. "

So, the alpha female is the strongest female of the pack. And guess what? It is usually only the alpha couple of the pack that bread, so the alpha male is attracted to STRENGTH, not youth.

Thus, the assumption that evolution would favor youth is shown not to be valid. Nature is full of examples where it is the strongest that bread, not the youthful.

I read that a girl's body is not fully ready to give birth until she is 17. So it wouldn't make sense that men evolved to prefer to mate with 14-16 year old girls. Any, people are not merely products of evolution. People are also products of culture.

Nature may make males of many species most attracted to the youngest they can breed with, but as permission for breeding is often restricted to one alpha family group's females (or those females chosen or offered from within a pack or herd's lessers, by the more dominant gatekeeper members), they are usually not allowed to do so and still remain a pack member.

Those controls must have a purpose. Mating with those who are least likely to bring a baby to term and then care for it best, due to physical immaturity or lack of competence/time spent observing successful mothers with their own young, runs counter to a group's physical and genetic survival.

I would imagine that animal groups whose elders do this with the youngest youngers among them, would not do very well over time.

Is it the alpha female that grants these "permissions"? Well, that would be fine as long as the alpha female is strong enough to enforce her will. But it seems more often than not, the female of the species is smaller and weaker than the male meaning there would be no member of the pack that would have the strength to enforce any permissions mechanism.

I'm asexual, but at 52, even looking at the missionaries now, they look so young to me. They look like kids.

I can still look at a man and think that he's attractive, but I don't understand what would be attractive about a kid. I'd go, "Good looking kid," but a kid just the same.

It's the changes in a body as it matures into an adult, which fills it out and makes it sexy.

I can't for the life of me fathom what could be sexy about a child.

As perverted Joe Smith and many of mormon cronies.

Behold, an honest man.

Of course younger females are more desirable to most men and many 14 year olds are nicely developed.

People used to marry quite young precisely for that reason, especially in the past when life expectancy was around 30 years.

Life expectancy was indeed about 30 years, but that's because so many died before the age of 5. But if you were lucky enough not to die as a child your estimated life expectancy would be closer to 50 years. And genealogy records show that our ancestors didn't marry in their teens nearly as often as we might imagine.

I have found, over the years, that I find women that are similar to my age, to be the most attractive. That is, when I was 16 I lusted after 16ish year old girls. When 29, 29ish year old women.
Now that I am 52, I find the 52ish age group of women to be the most attractive.

what he said^^^^

I'm dating at 54 and I'm not the least bit attracted to anyone even five years younger than me.

I have a exfriend that is doing 5 years in federal prison for lusting after 14 year old girls. Made the mistake of using a credit card to get porn on the internet.

The guy who thinks 14 year old girls are the most desirable is a pedophile just waiting for an opportunity.

He's also probably one of those mormon guys who values so-called "purity" and "innocence" and "chastity."

In other words, he's the immature one.

Girls are girls, period. Women are sensational!

might be that a very young girl as a partner is considered more pliable and less likely to have her own opinions. More likely to "look up to" the male, and easier for him to mold into exactly what he wants her to be... until she gets too old, anyway, and then she gets kicked to the curb.

Bleah. Don't ask me how I know this.

There are many ways of looking at this, some of which are as follows.

If you are just objectifying, then a great set of knockers is a great set of knockers. There is no person behind them, just boobs, so I suppose age wouldn't matter, just development.

Further along the scale would be people who see a person, not just body parts. But nice looking body parts are great, even if you do see a whole person.

Then there are people who are even more intrigued by the person behind the boobs. What are they like as a person, etc. And for these people, a giant set of knockers and an empty head are a waste of a great set of boobs. Where an intriguing woman without a lot of endowment in that area works fine due to her intrigue and a lack of objectifying on the lookers part.

And another category altogether are pedophiles who aren't just objectifying, they like the young body, and the young mind in a sick and twisted way.

So the person that the OP was referring to is probably either a pedophile, or just an objectifying male who sees boobs and not the child behind them.

I sometimes objectify, as do probably all males. If you have ever driven down the street and saw a lady walking in a summer top that emphasized a great set of boobs, and you liked what you saw... You objectified. You didn't have enough information to be intrigued about the person behind the boobs, driving past you just saw some great boobs and liked them.

Sometimes I'm in public and I'm drawn to a woman because she's attractive, dresses nice, and carries herself in a certain confident way, and in that case there is certainly a person, not just body parts.

There are times I've objectified a great set of boobs when I didn't have glasses on, and as the person gets closer I realize it's a well developed 14-year-old and even though I'm alone, I'm kind of horrified that it was a kid I was objectifying. The mind of a child doesn't sexually intrigue me a bit.

So I'm not a pedophile, I'm a typical male pig that objectifies, and I'm someone who looks beyond the body parts and gets intrigued by the person also. Depends on the day.

"Objectifying" is something we all do--men and women--to different degrees, and we tend to objectify different things. Objectifying is part of sexuality; it is when it is all of sexuality I think it is a problem. Certainly it is when other ways of relating are called for.

Part of what is getting left out of this conversation, also, is the push in our society for girls to look older. It is not as easy as it once was to know only by looking that a 14-year old girl is a 14-year old girl. And who and what is pushing that? It isn't your average guy on the street.

+1

the average age of consent in the usa is 16 [ more than half the states ] internationally, in spain it's only 13, a lot of it is cultural, but the bottom line is, college cheerleaders are waaay hotter than high school or junior high cheerleaders

So is this why several guys I know like women in pigtails? Makes 'em look like school girls, or am I way off...

I think you are right. This is yet another aspect of the discussion: fantasy. So if you role-play with your partner, for example, is that a problem? I personally don't care. I don't wish to control other people's sexual fantasies, which may involve all sorts of things that are illegal or bizarre were they enacted in reality. What I *do* care about is the relationship is consensual and those involved distinguish fantasy from reality outside the bedroom or dungeon or whatever. The great majority of people do that just fine.

But I refuse to make my man look like a school boy. ;)

I'm curious about the evolution side of this topic. I totally get the moral side and understand the need for people to chime in about how "me not attracted to anything illegal or morally offensive."

Back to the evolution. Don't you think the Alpha male would want to get em young before the other ones do to ensure that his dna is the one that is passed down? Is that not how it works in nature?



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We know homosexuality exist in lots of species, humans included. From an evolutionary point of view homosexuality might just be a mistake. Evolution is a perfectionist only where it cannot get away with it. But as long as we as a species does indeed reproduce and raise families all sorts of alternative sexual desires can evolve, including being attracted to girls to young and immature to raise a family. Evolution isn't always that picky, and we have a whole world of imperfection to prove it.

I'll admit it...I find a lot of girls that age extemely hot. Ive often fantasized about them, just like I've fantasized about women my age and older. But I'm not going to act on those feelings because I know it's wrong and fantasizing does not make me or any man a pedophile. Fantasy is OK, it's simply a way to satisy a biological drive.