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Posted by: enigma ( )
Date: May 18, 2011 11:03AM

Just to clarify the positions of the folks in my wife’s family. The Brother-in-Law is more of a social progressive and a fiscal conservative in many respects. He’s magnanimously accepting of a variety of different tolerant positions that would put him at odds with mainline Mormons and fundamentalists. He’s far too much of an individualist to ever start propagating his own dogma. He’s more of a Mormon-slanted philosopher. It’s hard to explain but you’d understand if you sat down and talked to him. He is bent on pursuing truth and will accept scientific discovery along with his pursuit of increased religious understanding. He has little to say about any manifestation of the organizational/institutional church and focuses more on the philosophical underpinnings. As for my parents-in-law, they have no inclinations of going fundie. In all cases involving my wife’s family, they feel that the corporation has replaced the church and that there is no concern about nourishing spirituality any more. Instead, they see the focus of the church as more bent on control and profitability – both antithetical to their collective philosophical understanding of the roots of Mormonism – hence, their feeling that the church has gone astray. They choose to stay in the church ‘for now’ because they feel, as members, they can have some influence in helping others to open their eyes to the controlling and abusive nature of the modern church and encourage people to focus more on Christian attributes instead. They’ve got the brain power to back it up so they can be very persuasive in that regard.

It’s a different kind of erosion to be sure, but it’s erosion nonetheless. These folks will no longer just tow the party line. They will disagree and argue. They will no longer sustain the leaders, they will no longer hold temple recommends in some cases. They will tithe according to their conscience in other cases. It’s true that the church is not ‘losing’ a member so to speak. But the seeds of grassroots change thanks mostly to the information age are opening people’s eyes and giving them the courage to define their own spirituality according to the dictates of their own conscience. Of course the church will adapt and survive – all social organisms are bent on that pursuit. But the church will be forced to evolve. I hope that this trend will continue to eat away at the church’s power over people’s lives.

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Posted by: vasalissasdoll ( )
Date: May 18, 2011 11:54AM

Personally, I see a major divide in the next 50 years...something similar to the Catholic/Protestant split.

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Posted by: kimball ( )
Date: May 18, 2011 05:49PM

A faction devoted to following Christ and abandoning the corporative aspects is intriguing, and may have a lot of support at first, but is doomed to fail. Church doctrine without the bigwigs running it and keeping the corporation alive can't stand on its own, especially when so much of the doctrine is dependent on the heirarchal structure.

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Posted by: kookoo4kokaubeam ( )
Date: May 18, 2011 12:00PM

that the day is soon approaching where someone of some notoriety stands up to the 15 pharisees and just tells them to F@!K off?

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Posted by: SpongeBob SquareGarments ( )
Date: May 18, 2011 12:12PM

kookoo4kokaubeam Wrote:
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> that the day is soon approaching where someone of
> some notoriety stands up to the 15 pharisees and
> just tells them to F@!K off?


Maybe that will happen tonight when Grant Palmer is interviewed on TV.

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Posted by: foundoubt ( )
Date: May 18, 2011 12:33PM

What channel? Is it just local?

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Posted by: SpongeBob SquareGarments ( )
Date: May 18, 2011 12:36PM

foundoubt Wrote:
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> What channel? Is it just local?


There's another thread on it but here it is:

Grant Palmer is going to be interviewed Wed. May 18 and Wed. May 25 on live TV by Jason Wallace from 8-9 PM, on Channel 20 (a Comcast station in the greater Salt Lake area). Wed May 18, the focus will be on An Insider's View of Mormon Origins and the future of Mormonism. On Wed May 25, the focus will be on comparing the Mormon Jesus with the New Testament Jesus, especially their personality, behavior, attitudes and what their doctrinal emphasis is. The format each week will be to interview him for 30 minutes followed by questions from callers.

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Posted by: kimball ( )
Date: May 18, 2011 05:53PM

Like Steve Young or Mitt Romney? Now that would be an awesome day. Someone with a voice has to speak for us.

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Posted by: SusieQ#1 ( )
Date: May 18, 2011 12:52PM

Now I have a better handle on what is going on with their thinking and where it is likely to go. Enough people willing to stand up, think outside the box, and eventually the church will evolve.

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Posted by: get her done ( )
Date: May 18, 2011 05:34PM

How about the Church of Jesus Christ of Mennonites.

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