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Maybe because they are running the biggest PONZI scheme of them all!!
Should such practices take hold among the membership, it could cause a whole rash of new posters here...
http://newsroom.lds.org/official-statement/affinity-fraud
Dallin H. Oaks, “Brother’s Keeper,” Ensign, Nov. 1986, 20
"The white-collar cousin of stealing is fraud, which gets its gain by lying about an essential fact in a transaction. Scheming promoters with glib tongues and ingratiating manners deceive their neighbors into investments the promoters know to be more speculative than they dare reveal. Difficulties of proof make fraud a hard crime to enforce. But the inadequacies of the laws of man provide no license for transgression under the laws of God. Though their method of thievery may be immune from correction in this life, sophisticated thieves in white shirts and ties will ultimately be seen and punished for what they are."
..."which gets its gain by lying about an essential fact in a transaction."
Oaks' lie "about an essential fact" is that money is Gods. That is why he laments the loss of "in kind" tithing. He uses another man's lie to tell this whopper:
http://library.lds.org/nxt/gateway.dll/Magazines/Ensign/1994.htm/ensign%20may%201994.htm/tithing.htm?fn=default.htm$f=templates$3.0
"BYU president Ernest L. Wilkinson, who often spoke of the blessings he had received from paying his tithing, quoted this statement from a non-Mormon businessman:
“We would not lend a neighbor money with which to run his business without interest. Neither would we expect him to lend us money without paying interest. I found I was using God’s money and the business talents He had given me without paying Him interest. That’s all I’ve done in tithing—just met my interest obligations!” (“The Principle and Practice of Paying Tithing,” Brigham Young University Bulletin, 10 Dec. 1957, pp. 10–11.)"
Dallin H. Oaks, “Brother’s Keeper,” Ensign, Nov. 1986, 20
"The white-collar cousin of stealing is fraud, which gets its gain by lying about an essential fact in a transaction. Scheming promoters with glib tongues and ingratiating manners deceive their neighbors into investments the promoters know to be more speculative than they dare reveal. Difficulties of proof make fraud a hard crime to enforce. But the inadequacies of the laws of man provide no license for transgression under the laws of God. Though their method of thievery may be immune from correction in this life, sophisticated thieves in white shirts and ties will ultimately be seen and punished for what they are."
..."which gets its gain by lying about an essential fact in a transaction."
Oaks' lie "about an essential fact" is that money is Gods. That is why he laments the loss of "in kind" tithing. He uses another man's lie to tell this whopper:
http://library.lds.org/nxt/gateway.dll/Magazines/Ensign/1994.htm/ensign%20may%201994.htm/tithing.htm?fn=default.htm$f=templates$3.0
"BYU president Ernest L. Wilkinson, who often spoke of the blessings he had received from paying his tithing, quoted this statement from a non-Mormon businessman:
“We would not lend a neighbor money with which to run his business without interest. Neither would we expect him to lend us money without paying interest. I found I was using God’s money and the business talents He had given me without paying Him interest. That’s all I’ve done in tithing—just met my interest obligations!” (“The Principle and Practice of Paying Tithing,” Brigham Young University Bulletin, 10 Dec. 1957, pp. 10–11.)"
You may be right, Elder Oaks.
BTW, have you looked in the mirror lately?
BTW, have you looked in the mirror lately?
Why would the church be interested in supporting this?
"educate Utahns and give them the tools to evaluate pitches and make decisions about whether to invest."
They would be helping members learn skills that would help them figure out they are in a scam.
The church is in the business of manipulating people's feelings in order to sell them a myth. The scam is completely exposed in its little business venture called Heartsell(R).
Flashing lights: *-*-*-* This is how we manipulate you ... suckers *-*-*-*
(http://www.bonneville.com/?nid=32)
"educate Utahns and give them the tools to evaluate pitches and make decisions about whether to invest."
They would be helping members learn skills that would help them figure out they are in a scam.
The church is in the business of manipulating people's feelings in order to sell them a myth. The scam is completely exposed in its little business venture called Heartsell(R).
Flashing lights: *-*-*-* This is how we manipulate you ... suckers *-*-*-*
(http://www.bonneville.com/?nid=32)
https://tech.lds.org/forum/showthread.php?6758-MLM-(Multi-Level-Marketing)-financial-fraud-and-Church-leadership-warnings
"Any adversity or issue resulting from poor product, service or communication in such a setup is going to have harmful reverberations and when tied to the social fabric of a church organization, can severely hamper that organization's ability to fulfill its duties through the destruction of the relationships within."
Funny how TWO moderators jumped on this one and then the admin through in how MLM's aren't all bad! LOL
"Any adversity or issue resulting from poor product, service or communication in such a setup is going to have harmful reverberations and when tied to the social fabric of a church organization, can severely hamper that organization's ability to fulfill its duties through the destruction of the relationships within."
Funny how TWO moderators jumped on this one and then the admin through in how MLM's aren't all bad! LOL
If you pay tithing on ill-gotten gains, you're a good Mormon and still eligible for your temple recommend.
This doesn't surprise me at all.
Like calling any attention to massive problem of affinity fraud running rampant in LDS circles. If they got involved that would be akin to acknowledging there is a problem.
Besides, people that lose money from affinity fraud still pay tithing. Plus they can collect bonus tithing from the Southwick-Koerber-Hammons-Mowen's of the world.
Besides, people that lose money from affinity fraud still pay tithing. Plus they can collect bonus tithing from the Southwick-Koerber-Hammons-Mowen's of the world.