So I am drawing...I mean listening in Sunday School yesterday and they are talking about something or other, I wasn't really paying attention, when some guy starts waxing poetic about how...

"President Hinckley never wavered on getting the truth out about what Mormons believe. He told it like it is."

Poor guy must have missed his numerous interviews where he is hemhawing about what the Mormons believe about Godhood and crap like that. It was actually Hinckley's interviews and 'getting the word out about the truth of Mormonism" that started me studying over at FAIR and finally convinced me that Mormonism was not all it is cracked up to be.

If you want to use prophets as being BOLD with what Mormons believe and 'telling it like it is' I think Hinckley is the worst example you can use as a defender of the faith. Somehow though they have managed to whitewash his quiveling and turned him into something he wasn't.

I remember cringing several times but just shook it off- the cog dis was buried for a time.

Hinckley hesitated. Then he responded, "I am sustained as such." I remember thinking, “WHAT? We members are expected to sustain Hinckley as prophet when he cannot even acknowledge it HIMSELF?"

"Anemic" indeed!

who was asked if he was a prophet during a Senate committee hearing considering whether or not to allow Reed Smoot (an apostle) to take the Senate seat to which the Utah legislature had elected him. He answered the question with nearly the same words that Hinckley used decades later.

is the "I am sustained as such" on youtube?

looking / can't find it...

They should have made the tv show the next prophet.

So true. I was sick this last week and watched 76 episodes of BG2004. Captain Adama...Captain Cain, guess which one was evil?

They knew who they were and who was in charge, but then again, they weren't selling anything.

Anagrammy

treasure chest of weird Morgbot doctrine. He was a prophet. He said it. Morgbots now own it.

Guess, just Guess, what it was like to serve a mission on the MORmON trail between Palmyra & Nauvoo, be asked countless times abougt polygamy, defend pervert Joe as best I could, and then Have chuckle head Gordon B.S. Hinckley go on national TV & blabber off about how polygamy wasnt doctrinal. By the way this is the same "stand up" guy who wanted to leave early / dump his mission in england.

I was so pissed.

Hey, thanks Gordon & MORmON cohorts, for telling me in advance of wasting 2 years ( and so very much more) of my life for your BS LDS corporation,(SARCASM)

no, really, thanks alot mr "standing for something." Thanks for pissing me off enough that I quit your damn MORmON scam!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIkVNWHT-IA

I wish I could have wiped my butt all over his pillow.



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AMEN to that! (clapping hands in approval big time)

Yup; he got That Part right!

Gordon wanted to leave his mission early? I've never heard that. Tell me more!!!!

I'd like to hear that story too!

from the "New Era" magazine, May 1995:

http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=024644f8f206c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=851188a85f2fb010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____



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I think he took classes with Bill Clinton.

Prophetic words of GBH:

"Now we are at war. Great forces have been mobilized and will continue to be. Political alliances are being forged. We do not know how long this conflict will last. We do not know what it will cost in lives and treasure. We do not know the manner in which it will be carried out. It could impact the work of the Church in various ways."

"No one knows how long it will last. No one knows precisely where it will be fought. No one knows what it may entail before it is over. We have launched an undertaking the size and nature of which we cannot see at this time."

"I do not know what the future holds. I do not wish to sound negative, but I wish to remind you of the warnings of scripture and the teachings of the prophets which we have had constantly before us."

"Now, I do not wish to be an alarmist. I do not wish to be a prophet of doom. I am optimistic. I do not believe the time is here when an all-consuming calamity will overtake us. I earnestly pray that it may not. There is so much of the Lord’s work yet to be done. We, and our children after us, must do it. I can assure you that we who are responsible for the management of the affairs of the Church will be prudent and careful as we have tried to be in the past. The tithes of the Church are sacred."
- The Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley, “The Times in Which We Live,” October 2001 General Conference (Ensign, Nov. 2001, Page 72)
"I hope that prayer will take on a new luster in our lives. None of us knows what lies ahead. We may speculate, but we do not know."
- The Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley, October 2001 General Conference “Till We Meet Again,” (Ensign, Nov. 2001, Page 89)

During an CNN interview after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, Larry King asked Hinckley if God could have prevented the attacks:
KING: President Hinckley, though, couldn't He (God) have prevented this?
HINCKLEY: Oh, I suppose so. I believe He's all powerful, yes. I don't know His will. I don't know how He operates.
- Larry King Live CNN Interview, September 14, 2001,
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/14/lkl.00.html

"Brigham Young said if you went to Heaven and saw God it would be Adam and Eve. I don't know what he meant by that." Pointing to a grim-faced portrait of the Lion of the Lord, as Young was called, Hinckley said, "There he is, right there. I'm not going to worry about what he said about those things." I asked whether Mormon theology was a form of polytheism. "I don't have the remotest idea what you mean," Hinckley said impatiently."
- Hinckley Interview in "Lives of the Saint", New Yorker, January 2002
http://www.newyorker.com/PRINTABLE/?fact/020121fa_FACT1

"Beyond the wonderful and descriptive words found in sections 76 and 137 [D&C 76; D&C 137] we know relatively little concerning the celestial kingdom and those who will be there. At least some of the rules of eligibility for acceptance into that kingdom are clearly set forth, but other than that, we are given little understanding."

"The next question you ask is why Eve was created from Adam. I can only respond that an all-wise Creator did it that way...."

"Now, Virginia, you call attention to the statement in the scriptures that Adam should rule over Eve. (See Gen. 3:16.) You ask why this is so. I do not know."

"You ask whether men are more important than women. I am going to turn that question back to you. Would any of us be here, either men or women, without the other?"
- The Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley, November 1991 Young Womens Conference, “Daughters of God,” (Ensign, Nov. 1991, Page 97)
Question: "There are some significant differences in your beliefs [and other Christian churches]. For instance, don't Mormons believe that God was once a man?"

Hinckley: "I wouldn't say that. There was a little couplet coined, "As man is, God once was. As God is, man may become." Now that's more of a couplet than anything else. That gets into some pretty deep theology that we don't know very much about."
- Interviewing Gordon B. Hinckley, San Francisco Chronicle, April 13, 1997, p 3/Z1
From an interview Jan 29th, 2002 conducted by reporter Helmut Nemetschek, ZDF television, Germany, at Salt Lake City, Utah, in the Church Administration Building:

Question: "Until 1978 no person of color attained the priesthood in your church. Why it took so long time to overcome the racism?"

Hinckley: "I don’t know. I don’t know. (long pause) I can only say that. (long pause) But it’s here now. We’re carrying on a very substantial work on Africa for instance and in Brazil. We’re working among their people developing them."
Question: "Now, Mr. President, one question which is a little bit complicated for me to understand but I heard it an one colleague asked me to ask you. What will be your position when DNA analysis will show that in history there never had been an immigration from Israel to North America? It could be that scientists will find out?"
GBH: "It hasn’t happened. That hasn’t been determined yet. All I can say is that’s speculative. No one really knows that, the answer to that. Not at this point."
- Interview Jan 29th, 2002 conducted by reporter Helmut Nemetschek, ZDF television, Germany, at Salt Lake City, Utah, in the Church Administration Building. http://www.mormonismi.net/artikkelit/hinckley_video.html
From an interview on the Australian Broadcasting Company's Sunday night television show COMPASS:
COMPASS:: So in retrospect was the Church wrong in that [denying blacks the priesthood]?
HINCKLEY: No I don't think it was wrong. It, things, various things happened in different periods. There's a reason for them.
COMPASS: What was the reason for that?
HINCKLEY: I don't know what the reason was.
COMPASS: Is it a problem for the Church that it is still.. has a tag of being racist?
HINCKLEY: No, I don't think so. I don't see that anymore.
- Australian Broadcasting Company, COMPASS, April 8, 2005
"Months ago I was invited to be interviewed by Mike Wallace, a tough senior reporter for the CBS 60 Minutes program, which is broadcast across America to more than 20 million listeners each week. I recognized that if I were to appear, critics and detractors of the Church would also be invited to participate. I knew we could not expect that the program would be entirely positive for us. ... I concluded that it was better to lean into the stiff wind of opportunity than to simply hunker down and do nothing. It has been an interesting experience..."
"We have no idea what the outcome will be—that is, I don’t. We will discover this this evening when it is aired in this valley. If it turns out to be favorable, I will be grateful. Otherwise, I pledge I’ll never get my foot in that kind of trap again."
- The Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley, “Remember Thy Church, O Lord,” Spring 1996 General Conference, Ensign, May 1996, Page 82
Question: "Is this the teaching of the church today, that God the Father was once a man like we are?"
Hinckley: "I don't know that we teach it. I don't know that we emphasize it. I haven't heard it discussed for a long time in public discourse. I don't know. I don't know all the circumstances under which that statement was made. I understand the philosophical background behind it. But I don't know a lot about it and I don't know that others know a lot about it."
- Interviewing Gordon B. Hinckley, Time Magazine, Aug 4, 1997
http://home.teleport.com/~packham/gbh-god.htm
When asked about the church's posture towards Homosexuals, Hinckley said he knows they "have a problem." So Larry King asked him if they were born with this "problem:"
KING: A problem they caused, or they were born with?
HINCKLEY: I don't know. I'm not an expert on these things. I don't pretend to be an expert on these things. The fact is, they have a problem.
- Larry King Live CNN Interview, December 26, 2004, http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0412/26/lkl.01.html

Regarding the Mountian Meadows Massacre, the Prophet said: "No one can explain what happened in these meadows 142 years ago. We may speculate, but we do not know. We do not understand it. We cannot comprehend it. We can only say that the past is long since gone."
- The Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley, Mountain Meadows Massacre Monument Ceremony, September 11th, 1999, http://www.mazeministry.com/mormonism/mmmassacre/hinkley.htm

"At the close of one particularly difficult day, I looked up at a portrait of Brigham Young that hangs on my wall. I asked, "Brother Brigham, what should we do?" I thought I saw him smile a little, and then he seemed to say: "In my day, I had problems enough of my own. Don't ask me what to do. This is your watch. Ask the Lord, whose work this really is." And this, I assure you, is what we do and must always do."

"As I reflected on these matters that recent difficult day, I opened my Bible to the first chapter of Joshua and read these words: "Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee" (Joshua 1:9). I said to myself: "There is never reason to despair. This is the work of God. Notwithstanding the efforts of all who oppose it, it will go forward as the God of heaven has designed it should do.""
- The Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley, Fall 2003 General Conference, Sunday Morning Session

Wow, that's quite a collection. What a weasel. Funny that he would admit that he knows sod all and Mormons still thought he was getting revelation from God!

As long as you are singing the praises of the LDS Church and its leaders, you can make up the most outrageous bullshit and all of your fellow Mormons will pretend that its not bullshit.

In fact, I would say that this principle is the foundation on which Mormonism is built.

;o)

He was bold in testifying of "Jesus Smith" to Tom Brokaw, but that was a slip.

Yes that was a winner. :-D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wALvdgurB4

is the memorable "I am sustained as such" available on Youtube?

I've been looking, but can't find it...


thanks

The man didn't stand for anything so he ended up falling for Mormonism or at least his ever changing interpretation of Mormonism. "Oh, so you don't like that aspect of Mormonism. I don't know that we teach that. I don't know that we emphasize that." Whatever the media wanted Mormonism to be under Hinckley that is exactly what it was. At least for 30 seconds.