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never_kolobian_lurker
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Date: January 12, 2012 01:02AM
*coming out of lurking mode*
Actually, me7 you are incorrect in some of your assumptions. So I'm going to explain this in really simple terms.
As a cradle Catholic that spent decades studying religion itself, I grew up knowing that (and I know there are some contradictions which is one of the reasons there's such a wide variance of opinions in the Church) homosexuality itself, in the Catholic Church, is not a sin.
I'll repeat that: Being A Homosexual Person Is NOT A SIN in the Catholic Church.
Also known as: It's OK to be GAY in the Catholic Church.
(Do I have your attention yet? Are you listening?)
What IS a sin, is the ACT of Homosexuality ITSELF (ie. Sodomy and other various acts that do not relate to procreation).
Meaning, that unless you PRACTICE the ACT of SODOMY, a mortal sin, all is well in the eyes of the Lord.
To make this even clearer: Even the flaming, cross-dressing pre-op, transexual gay sashaying down the street is a-ok in the eyes of God.
So all those gays that DON'T indulge in sodomy (and assuming they all do is an incorrect assumption btw) and choose a life being celibate homosexuals within the Church, they are actually in "better standing" in the eyes of the Lord then the ball of self-righteous, finger-pointing Christians ready to burn them at the stake for their natural homosexual tendencies.
Remember the whole "Ye who casts the first stone" speech? I suggest you read up on that.
Yes, the Catholic Church will NEVER allow the SACRAMENT of marriage (and by marriage I mean SACRAMENTAL MARRIAGE within the Catholic Church) between homosexuals because in doing so not only are they enabling the possibility of the ACT of sodomy (which is the mortal sin ITSELF) but also cannot and will not allow marriage between two people that CANNOT move forward with the ACT of PROCREATION.
It's also one of the reasons annulments are granted if one spouse (man or woman) is infertile or reneges on their promise to procreate. Period. SACRAMENT CEASED TO EXIST.
And for that matter, several other sexual acts between a MAN and WOMAN even IF they participated in the SACRAMENT OF MARRIAGE, are ALSO considered mortal sins, because they do not lead to procreation -- but that's a discussion for another day.
HOWEVER, we also need to remember that the Catholic Church DOES NOT recognize any other type of "marriage" that isn't appropriately blessed within the Catholic Church or any pre-approved, Trinitarian protestant church (ie. Episcopalians/Greek Orthodox are) or approved mono-theistic religion (interfaith marriages with Jews).
NOR will it recognize any other type of "marriage" between non-approved "baptized individual/s" of a non-approved religion or sect (ie. mormon/jw/civil marriages) and a Catholic as valid. That marriage, in the eyes of the Lord (and in the Catholic Church) is not a SACRAMENT and therefore does not exist. Period. (Married in the Provo temple? Guess what? The marriage does not exist)
Which is where the whole supporting "gay marriage" issue starts getting complicated.
The issue here isn't really supporting "gay marriage" within the Catholic Church, because the SACRAMENT OF MARRIAGE simply does not exist in this case. Remember, two people of the same-sex cannot EVER procreate WITH EACH OTHER having SEXUAL RELATIONS since they ARE NOT EQUIPPED TO DO SO. Period. PROCREATION being the basis of the SACRAMENT.
The issue here is the civil union, also commonly known as "marriage" between two people of the same-sex at the civil/political level. Which according to Canon Law, isn't recognized either and therefore doesn't exist, so for many "gay-marriage" Catholic supporters the controversy is moot.
It's not that they are supporting something that is "intrinsically evil" therefore it negates their "Catholic-ness" because, if you think about it, Jesus (God himself for Catholics) hung out with prostitutes -- and prostitution is a mortal sin as is sodomy, does that mean Jesus "supports evil?" Does it negate his "God-liness?" Does that make him a "cafeteria God?" No.
And don't even get me started on the whole "divorced" issue. They're really screwed. Mortal sins flying everywhere on a daily basis. Are they "intrinsically evil" too? According to your definition (and probably their ex-spouses) yes they are.
I hope you're not divorced me7.
What most support is the separation between Church and State and disagree with the Catholic Church's insistence in crossing the line and involving themselves into civil matters, completely out of its jurisdiction.
This isn't Italy. This isn't Rome. Heck this isn't even the Vatican where the Pope enjoys being the only non-muslim Absolute Monarch of the world. It's AMERICA. A country founded on the principles of religious freedom and the freedom to live without religion if they choose to do so. The entire concept of "God" in the Pledge of Allegiance has nothing to do with the "Christian God" to begin with, but was in reference to a generic "higher power" since most of the U.S. founding fathers were FREEMASONS.
Supporting "gay marriage" isn't supporting the act of forcing religions to allow "SACRAMENTAL MARRIAGES" between homosexuals in their Churches or buildings. It's supporting the rights of two individuals to have the same basic civil rights as those who participate in civil unions -- also known as "marriage" from a civil and legal standpoint.
And since in your eyes, all mortal sins are "intrinsically evil" -- ok. I hope you never miss Sunday Mass to watch the Super Bowl or lust after the husband of one of your girlfriends, 'cause guess what? That's a mortal sin too.
*back to lurking*