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Posted by: rj ( )
Date: February 02, 2012 11:55AM

Does anyone have a link or know which current or recent church literature discourages inter-racial marriage? Thanks,

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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: February 02, 2012 12:38PM

Let the record white-and-delightsomely demonstrate that according to Spencer W. Kimball in statements he made which were reaffirmed while he was serving as Mormon Church president in 1978 when its anti-Black policy was amended (statements which to this day stand unrevoked by the Mormon Church), interracial marriage is officially not considered a good thing by the LDS Church. To be sure, the Mormon Church officially and explicitly recommends that people do not race-mix through marriage.
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--From the Mouth of Mormonism: Crossing Racial Lines is Bad for the Breed

“Now, the brethren feel that it is not the wisest thing to cross racial lines in dating and marrying. There is no condemnation. We have had some of our fine young people who have crossed the lines. We hope they will be very happy, but experience of the brethren through a hundred years has proved to us that marriage is a very difficult thing under any circumstances and the difficulty increases in interrace marriages” (Spencer W. Kimball, Brigham Young University devotional, 5 January 1965)

“When I said you must teach your people to overcome their prejudices and accept the Indians, I did not mean that you would encourage intermarriage. I mean that they should be brothers, to worship together and to work together and to play together; but we must discourage intermarriage, not because it is sin. I would like to make this very emphatic. A couple has not committed sin if an Indian boy and a white girl are married, or vice versa. It isn’t a transgression like the transgressions of which many are guilty. But it is not expedient. Marriage statistics and our general experience convince us that marriage is not easy. It is difficult when all factors are favorable. The divorces increase constantly, even where the spouses have the same general background of race, religion, finances, education, and otherwise. ” (Spencer W. Kimball, “The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball,” p. 302)

“The interrace marriage problem is not one of inferiority or superiority. It may be that your son is better educated and may be superior in his culture, and yet it may be on the other hand that she is superior to him. It is a matter of backgrounds. The difficulties and hazards of marriage are greatly increased where backgrounds are different. For a wealthy person to marry a pauper promises difficulties. For an ignoramus to marry one with a doctor’s degree promises difficulties, heartaches, misunderstandings, and broken marriages.

“When one considers marriage, it should be an unselfish thing, but there is not much selflessness when two people of different races plan marriage. They must be thinking selfishly of themselves. They certainly are not considering the problems that will beset each other and that will beset their children.

“If your son thinks he loves this girl, he would not want to inflict upon her loneliness and unhappiness; and if he thinks that his affection for her will solve all her problems, he should do some more mature thinking.

“We are unanimous, all of the Brethren, in feeling and recommending that Indians marry Indians, and Mexicans marry Mexicans; the Chinese marry Chinese and the Japanese marry Japanese; that the Caucasians marry the Caucasians, and the Arabs marry Arabs.” (Spencer W. Kimball, “The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball,” p. 303)

http://www.lightplanet.com/family/marriage/interracial_marriage.html


“In 1958 [Kimball] gave an address which touched on [the]subject [of interracial dating]. President Kimball’s statement was reprinted in the Church Section of the Deseret News on June 17, 1978 [on the heels of the Mormon Church allowing Black males to receive the priesthood] . . .

“The Church Section . . . [on that date] gave this information:

“In an address to seminary and institute teachers at Brigham Young University on June 27, 1958, President Kimball, then a member of the Council of the Twelve, said:

“‘ . . . [T]here is one thing that I must mention, and that is interracial marriages. When I said you must teach your young people to overcome their prejudices and accept the Indians, I did not mean that you would encourage intermarriage.’”

http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/changech10b.htm
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--Mormon Utah Declared That Race-Mixed Marriage Wasn't Good: The Zion State's Anti-Interracial Marriage Law

“Like most other states, Utah once had a law against interracial marriages. It was passed by the territorial Legislature in 1888 and wasn’t repealed until 1963, said Philip Notarianni, director of the Division of State History.

“‘Utah, both in enacting and repealing it, probably just was going along with the national sentiment,’ he said.

“Race isn’t an issue today for Utah’s predominant LDS faith, church spokesman Scott Trotter said.

“The late President Spencer W. Kimball of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints had cautioned members about interracial marriages, but it was also a revelation issued by President Kimball that opened up the LDS priesthood to worthy black males in 1978.”

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,660211384,00.html
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--From Mormon Manuals: Don't Race-Mix Your Marriage

For those who may think that the Mormon Church has moved past Kimball’s negative view of interracial marriage, think again. To this day, it’s still quoting him. In the Church-authorized Aaronic Priesthood Manual 3, Lesson 31, entitled “Choosing an Eternal Companion” (p. 127ff), it declares in black and white:

“We recommend that people marry those who are of the same racial background generally, and of somewhat the same economic and social and educational background (some of those are not an absolute necessity, but preferred), and above all, the same religious background, without question.” (Spencer W. Kimball, “Marriage and Divorce,” in 1976 Devotional Speeches of the Year [Provo: Brigham Young University Press, 1977], p. 144)



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 02/02/2012 12:45PM by steve benson.

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Posted by: rj ( )
Date: February 02, 2012 02:51PM

Thank you so much Steve. I needed this for a discussion I'm having with a TBM.

Thanks again.

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Posted by: caedmon ( )
Date: February 02, 2012 03:02PM

There is something in the 2011 Aaronic Priesthood manual but I don't have it with me. Does someone else have the quote?

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Posted by: rowan ( )
Date: February 02, 2012 03:11PM

Maybe he should have gone even further, and to make couples even more compatable...men should marry men and women should marry women. Same logic carried one-step further!

Just think of the glory of two prieshood holders embraced in that celestial power bound by the everlasting convenant! Surely, the very heavens would burst open with the song of Angels.

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Posted by: Tabula Rasa ( )
Date: February 02, 2012 03:13PM

Directly from the 2011 Aaronic Priesthood Lesson Manual, Lesson 31 "Choosing an Eternal Companion".

http://www.lds.org/manual/aaronic-priesthood-manual-3/lesson-31-choosing-an-eternal-companion?lang=eng


Quotation and discussion
Compare the results of the vote with the following statement by President Spencer W. Kimball. Have a young man read it.

“We recommend that people marry those who are of the same racial background generally, and of somewhat the same economic and social and educational background (some of those are not an absolute necessity, but preferred), and above all, the same religious background, without question” (“Marriage and Divorce,” in 1976 Devotional Speeches of the Year [Provo: Brigham Young University Press, 1977], p. 144).

Ronnie

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Posted by: scarecrowfromoz ( )
Date: February 02, 2012 03:49PM

Yep, we don't want any outsiders to get into the Rich, Old, White boys leadership club of Mormon royalty.

What would we do if the rich didn't marry the marry rich to ensure that the Big 15 will always be related to either each other or their wives?

No Mormon Royalty marrying a commoner allowed (unless they are rich and can bring in lots of tithing $$$$$$$$$$).

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Posted by: Tristan-Powerslave ( )
Date: February 02, 2012 03:46PM

The sick hypocrisy is that if the husband iswhite generic white guy & the wife is of a different racial or ethnic background, rarely does anyone say a thing. The cult seems to only take offense when the husband isn't a generic white guy. Also if the couple are both of different racial & ethnic backgrounds, but neither are WASPy, no one says a damn thing whatsoever. Total hypocrites.

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Posted by: Human ( )
Date: February 02, 2012 10:00PM

...let's see them try to spin this stuff as just metaphor...

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Posted by: deepcreek ( )
Date: February 02, 2012 10:09PM

Classic case of Mormon bigotry.

The Morg's racial embarrassments will be under the media microscope.

Maybe Gregory Dodge will do an interview with 60 Minutes or Brian Williams of NBC and reveal the resignation numbers over the 10 years.

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