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Date: October 02, 2012 09:51AM
Before this whole page goes off on a bizarre tangent: try to remember that the point of this thread was about passing a piece of legislation PROTECTING CHILDREN FROM THEIR OWN PARENTS, many of whom belong to twisted fundamentalist religions. Like Mormonism, for example.
http://whatstheharm.net/religiousfundamentalism.htmlYou people really need to stop and think about whether committing a hate crime against your own child should be A) socially acceptable; B) sheltered under the First Amendment.
bibyuguy sneers at the exMormon who doesn't stop thinking like a Mormon. I would submit that people like him, sofia, and others are still suffering from that peculiar Mormon cultural hatred of the rule of Constitutional law in America - something Mormons have sought to defy or circumvent ever since the cult was organized.
The government steps in when it has a compelling interest in protecting those parts of society who otherwise are unable to protect themselves, as the State of California has done with this legislation. Children are unable to protect themselves. This is why child labor laws were enacted in the 19th and 20th centuries. This is why Seventh-Day Adventists and other freaky-ass cults have to take their children to get inoculations and medical treatment from qualified medical practitioners.
Moving on to adults, nobody is contesting their right to do any old STUPID-ASS thing they want to. But the government still steps in to protect society. Do you remember the drug Thalidomide? It was a sleeping pill and helped women get through morning sickness. Great, huh? Yes, and it did what it was supposed to do. The problem with Thalidomide was it did other things. Bad $#!t. Stuff nobody wanted or intended it to do. Perhaps bibyuguy and sofia feel that the U.S. government should not have stepped in and banned the sale and use of Thalidomide?
"Reparative therapy" is EXACTLY like Thalidomide.
Have either of you considered the future ramifications of allowing these so-called religions to practice mental and emotional torture on human beings? For people as deluded as bibyuguy's "friend" those ramifications are many and dire. Who do you think ends up committing adultery and incest more? Who do you think more often ends up the subject of those police department mug shots for child molestation? People who are out of the closet and proud of themselves and their sexuality, or people who capitulated to the unbelievably harsh pressure and demands of their family, peers, and church associates and force themselves to live a sham life pretending to be everything they are not?
There is nothing healthy, sane, or socially acceptable about a so-called "therapy" that pretends to "repair" what isn't broken. It should be banned by law for everyone, not just children.
But of course you can't convince someone who still thinks like a Mormon that a cult might be a toxic environment to expose a child to. Or that the cult's hatred of LGBT people might lead to a total life-long mind-fuck for any LGBT child unfortunate enough to have grown up in such a deadly environment. Or that a government needs to step in when a cult gets too murderous with regard to those of its own that it deems “unfit.”
I can't believe I'm even having to try and explain Civics 101 to adults.