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Posted by: intjsegry ( )
Date: January 14, 2013 11:25PM

It seems that this is the place to really let loose and get out frustrations from years of abuse, hatred, suppression, and alienation from the real world. I think it gets intense on here because it is a safe place to finally say what has been building up for most people for all, or a large portion of their lives. Feelings we weren't allowed to feel, admit, or (gasp) speak aloud.

I know that finding this site was an absolutely life changing experience.

Finding this forum was like finally seeing the mormon church for what it is. What I thought it was, but couldn't allow myself to admit.

FOr years, I thought it was just me, just my experience, just my crazy family. I even (though infrequently, and only in short spurts of habitual guilt) felt that maybe they were right, maybe I was just "hardening."

This forum shined a light that was so bright, I actually saw my way OUT of the anger. Don't get me wrong, it flares for me still, when I get a disappointing "here is who I wish you were letter" from my dad, or I get a guilt gift from the ward, or my family.

Because of this site I found the encourage, and the information to turn in my resignation about a month ago. Since then, I have felt the anger subsiding. Closure.

Now, I find myself posting more in response to try and help, instead of beginning a topic to be angry about. Again, Closure.

It's all a matter of healing and evolution. I would doubt that most people on here spend 24 hours a day as angry as they get on this site at the church... but, when it flares, it is really great, safe, and comforting place to blow off steam. Especially when you've held it in for 10+ years. (And when the people that are supposed to love you most, hurt you most, because of the church.)

I totally get what you are saying about the anger and hostility. I've participated in it... I have participated in it on this site, because I finally COULD. I didn't have to feel guilt for being angry, for being hurt, for wanting to YELL and kick... I felt comfort by knowing I wasn't the only one.

More power to you if you want to start another forum for healing that involves "less anger". I am just grateful I found this forum that didn't judge me for being angry and expressing that in the only way I could.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/14/2013 11:27PM by intjsegry.

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Posted by: jacob ( )
Date: January 14, 2013 11:38PM

It was nice that the thread got booted. I feel like RFM is my dysfunctional family that I must defend against more dysfunctional blowhards.

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Posted by: intjsegry ( )
Date: January 14, 2013 11:51PM

Exactly right. It's a safe place to be ourselves, which includes the surpressed anger of years and years of being told to "just be happy." Sometimes yelling it out is the only way to heal.

This place, especially for exs living IN UTAH or married to TBM, must be like a (no pun intended) sanctuary.

I feel very fortunate that my life lead me out of Utah before I became an exmo.

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Posted by: Cinnamint ( )
Date: January 14, 2013 11:51PM

Amen, Intjsergy. Amen.

I'm not a fan of the, "You're too angry!" posts.
Damn right, we're angry. We no longer have to bury it in hymns and stuff it down until our minds become soft and zombie-like. Finally.

Finally.

God, the relief. It's so much better to feel than to bury.

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Posted by: Kismet ( )
Date: January 14, 2013 11:57PM

Well said, intjsegry. Thank you for articulating it so well.

We are all trying to heal from a devastating loss. I lost my entire world view and my entire belief system in just one day. I lost any chance I ever had of making my mom proud of me by being the perfect Mormon and raising the perfect Mormon family. I lost a support system that I couldn't bear to be a part of anymore once I found out the truth. I lost a lot the day I discovered that the Mormon church was not the one true church on the earth. Not to mention what I lost for the 40 years before that by being involved with Mormonism in the first place.

So yes, sometimes I get angry. Anger is a natural part of the grieving process. I'm not angry all the time. But sometimes I am, and I don't think that's a bad thing. I think it's part of my healing process. And I'm grateful to have found other people who are on the same road. I like this road a lot better than the one I was on before. Thank you all for traveling it with me.

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Posted by: intjsegry ( )
Date: January 14, 2013 11:59PM

It's nice to have such good company....

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Posted by: Cinnamint ( )
Date: January 15, 2013 12:09AM

I cried to my dad "I need to be allowed to be human", while I cried over the loss of a boyfriend who moved. My stepmother got scary fire in her eyes and yelled at me that the boyfriend must be "drunk every weekend!" because he was a non-mo. It hurt like hell. I finally-FINALLY fought back, finally told her off, after sixteen years of clamming up--I let loose.
It was around the time that I posted on fb that "just found out our beloved prophet had young wives, and married women who already had husbands, but a mormon woman will go ballistic if her husband has porn."
I was banned from Christmas.

I hope she enjoys sitting under the glow of the Proclamation to the Family.

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Posted by: intjsegry ( )
Date: January 15, 2013 12:17AM

Many parents seem to sit under that glow, while letting their children emotionally starve... or even worse, like my dad, hoping I do (hit rock bottom) so I'll "need" the church again... I've heard him say this, and I've heard it in his voice.

"How are you?"

me- "Happy."

Him- "oh?".... both a question, because he won't believe I could be, and an accusation, and a disappointment.... mormons are (can be) so.... what's the word?... arrogant and transparently deceitful. If you know how to listen...



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/15/2013 12:18AM by intjsegry.

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Posted by: iflewover ( )
Date: January 16, 2013 01:18PM

intj - so happy you are on your way and I agree with you 100 percent. This is the place to let it out finally.

As a father, I hate to say this, but it sounds like you may need to cut off the toxins coming from your father for awhile as well. Nothing permanent and you don't have to do it in a way to hurt him because he's a victim too here, but just in a way that lets him know his venom is not welcome.

Lovingly, let him know that whenever he's ready to practice a little of that Christ-like love his church preaches so much about, you're ready to recieve it. But until that day, you won't be discussing religion, your life, or your choices with him any longer.

Becoming your own person is a natural part of growing up - it just doesn't feel like it sometimes.

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Posted by: nofear ( )
Date: January 15, 2013 12:08AM

I find for myself that part of my process of change is to go a little overboard the opposite direction until I find my balance. It is nice to have this forum to spout off some of the internal pressure, commiserate with others and get facts that were hidden. The emotions expressed can be raw, but that happens as we each find our own way and new paths. The humor I find here helps tremendously. One of my favorite threads was the use of TSCC terminology to name bars in SLC. Wish I saved that thread.

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Posted by: Kismet ( )
Date: January 15, 2013 12:20AM

I don't know if this thread is the same one you're referring to, but maybe.

http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,678257

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Posted by: intjsegry ( )
Date: January 15, 2013 12:15AM

I bet someone could find it... i didn't see that one...

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Posted by: nofear ( )
Date: January 15, 2013 12:32AM

It was the 2nd link I was referring to. I had not seen the 1st link before, but it was pretty funny. Thanks!

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Posted by: gentlestrength ( )
Date: January 15, 2013 01:08AM

Awwwww...that thread got pulled. I thought it was fine. Good to hear people who think anger about Mormonism is wasted energy. Makes me reflect. I don't agree and wish they actually had some valid points, but hey Mormonism is a freak cult that has my family and many friends.

Live and let live, right? If they want out, they'll figure it out.

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Posted by: judyblue ( )
Date: January 16, 2013 04:32PM

IJBHO..... :)

I often feel that mormonism encourages the suppression of healthy emotions. We are not supposed to speak up when we are wronged - we are supposed to turn the other cheek. We are not supposed to hold grudges against those who hurt us - we are supposed to forgive and forget unconditionally. We are not supposed to feel depressed - we are supposed to "endure to the end". We are not supposed to mourn when we lose a loved one - we are supposed to be happy that they have gone to a better place.

Positive emotions are suppressed, as well. We are not supposed to feel pride in our accomplishments - we are supposed to humbly praise god for blessing us instead. We are not supposed to laugh loudly or be merry - we are supposed to be reverent. We are not supposed to be passionate in our love - we are supposed to be righteous.

And so many of us never learn how to appropriately manage and express our emotions. Anger is healthy. Sadness is healthy. Joy is healthy. Jealousy is healthy. Passion is healthy. Desire is healthy. But because we haven't been allowed to express them naturally, we haven't figured out how to moderate them naturally. We haven't learned how to let ourselves feel, recognize what we're feeling, and, in the case of negative emotions, minimize them.

I think this is why most mormons I know then to be explosively emotional. There comes a point when you simply cannot suppress what you're feeling, so it bursts out of them like a gunshot. They end up blathering at the podium at F&T meetings because they are so full of "the spirit" - but it's actually just emotions that they have never learned to recognize, and needs to be released in some way. They get absurdly angry and defensive SO QUICKLY, because when their anger finally erupts they don't know how to keep it in check. They get severely depressed, not just from all the pressures of living perfectly but because they are so used to faking away sadness the moment they feel it that when it becomes too much, they can't dig themselves out.

And so yes, sometimes RfM is an angry place. I think a lot of us, while detoxing from mormonism, are still in the process of learning how to be like real humans. We are angry at TSCC, and what it has done to our lives and our families and our bank accounts. So when we try to express that, it comes out by the shovelful.

I know that for me, personally, I have gone through a huge personality change since leaving TSCC, as far as my emotional responses to things goes. I used to be a highly emotional person. I cried often, I got offended easily, I was borderline manic-depressive. Most people described me as cold or unfeeling, because the only way I knew how to keep my emotions from getting the better of me was to lock them away completely until I could be alone. Now, I'm much more even-tempered. I don't cry very often anymore, and when I do it's just a brief release instead of an all-night sob session. I can receive criticism without shaking and crying and feeling like my heart is going to beat out of my chest. I feel content most of the time.

There was a period, for about 18 months or so after I left TSCC, that I was perpetually angry, especially about mormonism. Every little thing set me off. But the more I've distanced myself from it, the more I've let myself FEEL that anger and work through it, the more it's disappeared. My family has noticed; both my parents have commented that I seem much happier and not as angry as I was a few years ago. I still get mad at TSCC occasionally, and frustrated by my TBM acquaintances at times, but I can also get over it. It's taken a few years, but I can get over it. I think a lot of people on this board are still on that path. It will take a different length of time for everyone. But this is a great place to vent it when your anger does become explosive.

Now, I'm not saying that mormonism or religion in general is responsible for all emotional affectations or struggles. It's much broader and more complex than that. But I do think that mormon values exacerbate the problem for a lot of those who are prone to have emotional issues.

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