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Posted by: carrietchr1 ( )
Date: January 27, 2013 11:07PM

A few questions about the temple...I've never gone so I'm not clear on a few things...

The first time you go you 'take out your endowments'....what does this mean? Is that the whole 'pay lay ale' part?

Do you get your new name during your endowment or only when you are married?

If both people are already endowed before the sealing, do they just do the ceremony or another endowment too?

Once you've been endowed and you return to the temple what do you do? The endowment again? What does 'doing a session' mean?

My friend's daughter just went through the temple last month in preparation for leaving for her mission in April. I heard them talking last week and she told her daughter...."well if you don't have enough time you can just do the washing and annointings"...I thought they got rid of that part of the endowment?

I know about Baptisms for the dead (LOVE the term necro-dunking and SO WANT to use it in front of my TBM friends....but still haven't) - anything else go on in the temple?

THANKS for clarifying!!

Carrie

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Posted by: nonamekid ( )
Date: January 28, 2013 12:01AM

There are three primary things that go in the temple:

- Baptism for the dead: usually done by the youth.

- Endowments: Washing and Anointing is the first part of the endowment ceremony. When you go for the first time, you do the W&A, then you go through the endowment ceremony itself where you learn the secret handshakes, etc. You get your new name at that visit. It does include the "true order of prayer" circle (Pay Lay Ale - although the words have been changed).

- Sealings: If the couple have both been previously endowed, then they would only have to do the sealing ceremony (although they could do a proxy endowment first if they wished - see below). If either has not been previously endowed, then they would have to go through the endowment ceremony first.

After you have gone through the endowment for yourself, then every time you go through the temple, you are doing so as a proxy for someone who died. Most will do the endowment ceremony for dead people, but some will do W&A for dead people, and others will do sealings for dead people.

When Mormons talk about doing a session, they are referring to doing the temple ordinances for dead people - usually an endowment session, but could be W&A or sealings.

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Posted by: nickname ( )
Date: January 28, 2013 04:11AM

Just to clarify a few things, the "washing" part of "Washing and Anointing" isn't actually a "washing" at all. They just "symbolically" wash you, by pronouncing that you are clean. There's no bathtubs anymore, although I understand there used to be, and you used to be literally washed.

The term "do a session" usually means just the main Endowment ceremony, without the "Washing and Anointing" part. You just sit there, watch the video, do the funny handshakes, bow your head and say "yes" a lot, do the "true order of prayer" (or just sit and watch, you don't have to actually participate in that), and then head on through the veil to the celestial room.

You can also go "do sealings" which means you get married in behalf of a bunch of dead people. Or you can "do initiatories" which means just doing the "Washing and Anointing" part a few times.

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Posted by: spicyspirit ( )
Date: January 29, 2013 12:38AM

What!!! I thought they only babtized the dead. Wow my mind is blown right now. A whole new level of creepies.

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Posted by: Homeless ( )
Date: January 28, 2013 05:43AM

Carrie,

The entire endowment ceremony is on youtube.

It's called. Search it on youtube:

MORMON TEMPLE ENDOWMENT CEREMONY (WITH MOVIE)

Interesting note: The true order of prayer starts by saying, “Pay-Lay-Ale” [clearly: money-sex-booze], it was probably created by satanists or Joseph Smith's subliminal mind. It doesn't mean, “Oh God, hear the words of my mouth”.

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Posted by: Homeless ( )
Date: January 28, 2013 05:45AM

Not included in the movie is the washing and anointing, nor how the witnesses are picked, so I've included the details below. After doing the washing and anointing for yourself the first time at the temple, it is omitted from the endowment in future visits. You have to request specifically to do that part for the dead. Otherwise, you skip the “naked experience” and go straight to the chapel.

WASHINGS AND ANOINTING—FIRST TIME TO THE TEMPLE

You go to the temple and show them your recommend.

You are escorted to a locker room to remove your clothes. They give you a sheet-type of clothing to wear.

First is the washing and anointing. It is done with water, and then with oil. You sit in a stall naked with a loose sheet-type of clothing covering your body. A person (man if you are a man and woman if you are a woman) pronounces a blessing over different parts of your body. He or she touches your forehead, ears, eyes, nose, lips, neck, chest, arms, hands, back, loins, legs, and feet. They pretty much touch all of your body parts except the sex organs, your butt, and nipples of your breasts. The prayers are very specific as they touch you, such as saying, “The lips to never speak guile,” or for the legs, “To run and not be weary, and to walk and not faint.”

After they are finished, they give you a piece of paper with your new name on it. Mine was Thomas. They tell you never to reveal the name to anyone except at a place they will tell you and later. You are told to hold that paper until you finished going through the endowment and are ready to provide the new name at the veil to the celestial kingdom. If you forget, they will tell you. Everyone gets the same new name on the same day, so if you ever forget it, they will look up the date and give you the new name you forgot.

Then they tell you to get dressed in your “garment underwear” and white temple clothes, and you carry the robe, sash, hat, and a "green apron" with you in a special bag, and you are escorted a chapel to wait for the next endowment room to be vacated. The garments have markings over the breast, navel, and right knee. The garment markings are explained at the veil to the celestial kingdom, which is at the end of a 90 minute endowment session that includes a movie, instruction in covenants and priesthood orders, and learning the “true order of prayer”.

After waiting in the chapel, an officiator picks a “witness couple”, who are married, and the witness couple leads the group waiting in the chapel into the endowment room to watch a movie. In the Salt Lake City Temple, instead of a movie, you actually move from room to room with live actors that play the parts of God, Jesus, Michael, Satan, Adam, Eve, Peter, James, and John. All new temples have movies.

When you enter the modern endowment room, curtains conceal a movie screen and a large rectangular altar is at the front. The room is divided into two sections of seats. Men are on the right. Women are on the left. The witness couples sits in the front row on the seats on the edges in the middle room in front of the altar. The witnesses are invited to go to the altar from time to time.

The movie presentation covers the creation garden and telestial kingdom where we live today. The movie stops and starts at different points for instruction in covenants and priesthood order. After the movie is over, the lights go brighter to represent the terrestrial kingdom, and more covenants are made, but no more movie. The celestial room is entered later after the covenants are completed.

In the garden and each kingdom, you are given some instructions and make a covenant according to the "law" of that kingdom. Then you are given "signs and tokens" of the priesthood, which is a handshake with the temple patrons who go around the room one by one to shake everyone's hands, and then, you make a covenant with the arms by "cutting the covenant" and promising that you will never reveal the "sacred" handshakes or your new name, neither the signs, nor the penalties. If you do, you are threatened with death. The death penalty covenant is done by moving the arm across the body, with the thumb against it, representing a knife, of course. The telestial kingdom execution is across the guts. The terrestrial room is across the chest. The celestial kingdom is across the neck.

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Posted by: The Oncoming Storm - bc ( )
Date: January 28, 2013 06:47AM

They changed the washing and annointings in 2005 so that they just put their hands on your head and give you a blessing - the touching the different parts no longer occurs.

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: January 28, 2013 06:35AM

carrietchr1 Wrote:
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> If both people are already endowed before the sealing, do they just do the ceremony or another endowment too?

It's up to the couple. Back in the old days when people often had to travel long distances to a temple, it was more common to do the endowment and the sealing on the same day. Nowadays, unendowed people will often take out their endowments a few weeks before the sealing. This is because the endowment ceremony is lengthy (~2 hours) so to do both in the same day (and also have a reception, etc.,) is very tiring.

It's not unlike the decision that a Catholic couple would make about their wedding ceremony -- whether or not to include a full mass or just the separate wedding ceremony.

I believe that when the endowments have already been taken, the groom still takes his new wife through the veil on the sealing day. Someone here will know more about that.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/28/2013 06:36AM by summer.

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Posted by: The Oncoming Storm - bc ( )
Date: January 28, 2013 06:53AM

The first time you go you 'take out your endowments'....what does this mean? Is that the whole 'pay lay ale' part?

The endowment session is an 1:45 ceremony where you watch a movie about the Creation and Adam & Eve. Then you make promises to the church and for each promise you get a secret sign & token. 'pay lay ale' used to be part of the 4th sign they give you - they removed it in 1990 and now you just say 'o god hear the words of my mouth'.

At the end of the endowment session you symbolically enter heaven. The idea is that you need to know all these secret signs to get into heaven.

Do you get your new name during your endowment or only when you are married?

You get it as part of your endowment. You use the name twice in the endowment ceremony. After you go through the first time you go through by proxy for a dead person. You then receive a new name for that dead person and use it in the endowment.

If both people are already endowed before the sealing, do they just do the ceremony or another endowment too?

The endowment and sealing ceremonies are completely different. You must be endowed before a sealing ceremony - often women with get their endowments the day before getting married.


Once you've been endowed and you return to the temple what do you do? The endowment again? What does 'doing a session' mean?

Yes, doing a session means go through the endowment session by proxy for someone who is dead.

.."well if you don't have enough time you can just do the washing and annointings"...I thought they got rid of that part of the endowment?

They still have washing and annointings but they just do it like a regular priesthood blessing now

I know about Baptisms for the dead (LOVE the term necro-dunking and SO WANT to use it in front of my TBM friends....but still haven't) - anything else go on in the temple?

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Posted by: RPackham ( )
Date: January 28, 2013 11:06AM

For a complete description of what goes on in the temple, see my article "Mormon Temples and Temple Rituals" at http://packham.n4m.org/temples.htm

You will find photos there of the secret/sacred handshakes, and links to actual audio and video recordings of the endowment ceremony.

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Posted by: karriew ( )
Date: January 28, 2013 12:37PM

When my dumb as a shoe full of jiz father died (he was a long standing bishop and later a SP) I went through his 'paperwork' at home. He had several blank temple recommends; unsigned, no dates, names.

Wanna go? I have thought about taking a stroll down 'memory' lane but if my ruse was discovered, I am sure the temple police would call the Oakland P.D. and have me arrested for tresspassing. I would have a hard time keeping my teaching credential after that point.

Have fun.

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Posted by: nickname ( )
Date: January 28, 2013 03:59PM

I'm pretty sure the bishop has to activate them through the Morg's database before you can actually use it in the temple.

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Posted by: carrietchr1 ( )
Date: January 29, 2013 12:34AM

I would love to experience it....but can't risk my credential either!!

Oh well....I'll experience it through the videos!

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Posted by: dimmesdale ( )
Date: January 28, 2013 04:07PM

She told me that when her father first went to the temple, it really WAS WASHING AND ANNOINTING.
There were large bathtubs along the wall of the annointing room, and people from the farms and fields would actually wash in the tubs before receiving the annointing.

She was whispering through the whole session, telling me about the changes in the curtains into the celestial room, etc. I can't remember it all, but that bathtub "snapshot" really stuck in my brain.

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Posted by: rainwriter ( )
Date: January 28, 2013 04:08PM

Just to add, part of the sealing is the husband pulling the wife through the veil. Since I wasn't endowed before getting married, when through the week before our sealing for my endowments, my fiance came too and did the session with me (me for me and him a proxy for someone else). At the veil, he "passed through first," and then stood next to the guy who was testing me. After I had passed everything with him, instead of him reaching through to pull me into the celestial room, they had my fiance do it instead.

I'm not sure how they do it if both are previously endowed, but I think that's considered the final part of the endowment.

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Posted by: carrietchr1 ( )
Date: January 29, 2013 12:33AM

THANKS everyone! I really appreciate all of the information and will check out youtube and the other links!

Carrie

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Posted by: laurel ( )
Date: January 29, 2013 12:43AM

What is wanted?

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Posted by: Ponti ( )
Date: January 29, 2013 09:36AM

I don't know what is wanted, but you can find out "through the veil" upon the five piles of bullchips.

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Posted by: mcdonkie ( )
Date: January 29, 2013 09:28PM

I bet I can recite the whole entire live temple script from the SLC temple, yes even Satan's part. I spent way too much time there as an actor.

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