http://mormonstories.org/questions-for-josh-and-lolly-weed/

How the Heck did you have sex to conceive your children? Did Lolly where some kind of manish costume? Prostethic penis?

You know Dehlin isn't going there.

Faith proceeds the inconceivable.



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Precedes?

But yes, it is an unconventional relationship. Gay marriage may be imminent in this country, but in the LDS Church it is far from conceivable. This is, perhaps, the only way Josh can get married (in the Church). I don't know what her motivations are... But if it works for them, so be it.

Unfortunate that they made major decisions such as this with false information (i.e., being gay is a choice etc., which the Church has since made an about-face about...).

citizen not logged in Wrote:
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> Precedes?

Not a word I use much post-Mormon.

As in, faith precedes the inconceivable. I think both permutations are applicable.

"I'll admit it. I bit. I read the questions. BLECH. I hesitated to write something like "Has Lolly had a str8 man make love to her?" "Have you made love with a gay man?" NOW tell me about the reasons you're touting the value of this arrangement? It's just so very sad.



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Lolly Lolly Lolly get your adverbs here...

So, Josh, what are you going to do when you are innocently picking out apples at the supermarket and you look up into someones eyes and your stomach does flip flops?

What are you going to do when you chat for minute and the bells start to ring?

What are you going to do now that you finally know what it's like to feel the real thing?

Now that you know the fulfillment you are missing, the craving of flesh, the deepest kisses to the middle of the earth, could you still deny that to Lolly? To yourself? To the guy on the other side of the apples?

Stop posting porn...

My factory is running over time and the whistle is about to blow... LOL

blue orchid, my man, I'm hot from that little steamy scenario, and I know it was aimed at another man. But hey, sensual is sensual, and you always nail it--ooh, unintended pun. It's the steaminess. Ahhhh, apples!!!!

But you're right. What WILL happen when Josh experiences something just like that, and Lolly is left with children, bitterness, and the feeling that she failed "The Lord's mandate." And now she's alone in her grief, guilt, or hatred for having been humiliated.

Or, when he's been with her for so long--feeling nothing for her compared to what he could feel so deeply for another man--but has been made to feel like the poster boy for "I think, therefore I am" heterosexuality, he not only feels like he's lived a fraudulent life, but he aches for what could have been--for himself and for Lolly. She could also have been with a man who loved her the way she deserves to be loved--as a sensual woman and not, just like Josh, as part of a science experience.

They may also one day feel they've been made fools of, for nothing more than a church trying to play king of the junglegym. Oh, the emotional storms that will be unleashed then! What happens to their children who feel that their entire family life has been nothing but lies--religion, marriage, sexuality, integrity, modeling honest behavior for them to decide on THEIR sexuality? It's very sad that their futures look so bleak, and it's really, really unnecessary in the post-modern age. The thinking is so OT. Instead of the old Abraham and Isaac myth, Josh and Lolly are playing the "obedience" to God game. And what's the consolation prize for that?

I feel for both of them--for all of their family. If you cannot be true to the spark within you, wherever that leads, then you'll never live a happy, authentic life.

Speaking of Abraham and Isaac, I love the skit on Family Guy when the A & I of them are walking back down the hill, & Isaac turns to his father and says, "Wanna explain what the $^%& THAT was?!"



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Thanks for Abraham and Isaac joke. I haven't seen Family Guy but that left me on the floor.

I'm heterosexual. I can't imagine marrying a man and sharing a bed with him. Should I believe it's easier the other way around?

You have to read THe Little Engine That Could just before bedtime.

ROTFLMAO. Would you please write a book, blue orchid? I'd pay to read it, I swear to God I would.

That is the sweetest thing ever.



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Could I read Curious George? You know, the one about the bad little monkey and the banana-looking man?

I really don't care about the parents. They've made their decisions, both good and bad.

It's the kids who have no say in the matter that will do most of the suffering. Especially with Mormonism thrown in to the mix. It leaves the kids in a precarious emotional tug of war.



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Is that what they were doing?

How does it feel to know that your husband will never be sexually attracted to you ever?

Do you like going through your life not being wanted in that way and how does it affect your self-esteem?

No really, not just the Mormon veneer answer - how is it really?

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How does it feel to know that your selfishly marrying your wife so that you could look good and fit in with the Mormon norm destroyed her chances at any kind of a normal life where she could feel attractive to her spouse?

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Are you enjoying your 15 minutes of fame? Is it worth living an inauthentic life?



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THESE truly are some good questions...

Yeah, that Dehlin will either tip-toe around or never address. I wanna listen to the interview just to compare it to his exmormon interviews and see if Dehlin is different.

My guess is no. His continuum of "Mormon Stories" has become a freak show for True Believers and he is making himself into a strong black Mormon - the Oprah of Mormons.

My question: Do you really think this is what Heavenly Father wants for the both of you?

I just had an idea for a line of kinky sex costumes for the Moridor market. Have you seen those heavily padded Halloween costumes that are designed to make someone look like a thickly muscled body? Well, why not put in a few strategic holes, and the poor Mormon wife can be inside, wearing a fake mustache, while her gay husband pretends to be pounding a man.

Gotta beat what Josh currently does, which is to close his eyes and think of Jesus. Sweet, well hung Jesus, as his body glistens, half naked on the cross, dangling helpless, his long hair blowing in the breeze, just waiting for someone to come along upon his helpless self...Wait, my mind just went to a strange place. Gotta go look at pictures of naked chicks, will be right back.

OMG, I read the link from the link. Wow!!!!! They have three beautiful children. I cannot tell from the above referenced link or the link to his website if they actually had sex, or did he jizz in a dixie cup and use a turkey baster? That in mind, I have questions for both.

Questions for Josh:
1. When and if you consent to fulfilling your husbandly obligations and have sex (for strictly procreation purposes) does little Mr. Winky 'accidentally slip' into her anus?

I am not saying anal is wrong (unlike TSCC), that is a decision that a couple should make together.

2. Does she do oral on you? Is oral a part of some steamy foreplay or do you do a little squirt...squirt, roll over and go to sleep?

Questions for Lolly:

1. When did you find out that Josh was gay? First date? Fifth?
OMG, I already know the answer. It must have been crushing to discover on your wedding night when he looked on your nude body did not make Mr. Winky hard. It must have been a disappointment, instead of a rock hard organ you had to deal with a limp and flaccid appendage.

2. Does it bother you that when you are intimate, he is not really there for YOU and is thinking about some mans hairy scrotum or butt?

3. O.k., your hubby is gay. Is he out at some gay bar trolling and looking for some arse or is he only committed to you?

4. How does it feel to be a gay man's 'beard?'

One may think I have a 'problem' with gays. I have reached a point in my life where I don't. They can do their thing, I will do mine. I am so sick of gays wanting to shove their lifestyle down my throat and gays telling ME if I somehow don't want to hear about their sexual adventures, I am some type of homophobe.

Yeah, its not like straight people try to shove their straight agenda down anyone's throat (no pun intended)...

I don't necessarily disagree, though, about being exposed to sexual exploits (straight or gay) that I don't really want to hear. Keep it to yourself--if I want to hear it, I'll ask.

In any case, she knew since they were little kids together (best friends or some such nonsense from kindergarten), so no, "Mr. Winky" on wedding night was not the tell-tell heart. She did this eyes wide open...

PS That first line is sarcasm, obviously.

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> I am so sick of gays wanting to shove their lifestyle down my throat...

I don't think that (speaking generally) gays want to shove their lifestyles down your throat any more than you wish to shove your lifestyle down their throats.

I think that most just want to live their lives as you do. They want to live with their partner of choice, go to work, and enjoy their weekends. Some want to raise families.

One of my gay neighbors was very, very reticent with me until he sensed that I accepted him. Now he and his partner say hello to me and engage in light neighborly chat as they come and go. They both appear to live entirely normal lives.

Sorry for the ignorance, but why be disrespectful to them?

From just briefly reading their blog (his coming out post), it seems that they genuinely have a genuinely loving relationship. It's too bad that he doesn't feel free to explore his true attractions, but he made the choice based on his beliefs. While I don't agree, I guess I'd say good for him. It seems like a messed up arrangement, but they seem to be making it work.

It's a load of bull - Josh is a therapist who specializes in treating gay men who want to function in heterosexual marriages. He's selling an image, so obviously he has an interest in looking successful.

Thanks for bringing that up. It is important to understand that the Josh Weed/TSCC situation is a win/win for them. They both benefit financially and one of them might be getting some on the side anyway.

Lolly could be getting screwed here, but not in the biblical sense probably.

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> Lolly could be getting screwed here, but not in
> the biblical sense probably.

Well Josh's sperm reached her egss somehow.

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> It's too bad that
> he doesn't feel free to explore his true
> attractions, but he made the choice based on his
> beliefs.

Which beliefs are those? The one where "Celestial Marriage" is a commandment? I don't remember that one. Please tell me about it. Seriously, I don't rember it being a commandment but I would like to know if TBMs are commanded to marry.

The WoW is now "not<-strike this by way of commandment" so I could have not gotten the memo on D&C 132 being one.

http://www.mormonsandgays.org/
"Unlike in times past, the Church does not necessarily advise those with same-sex attraction to
marry those of the opposite sex."