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Posted by: Observer ( )
Date: April 22, 2013 12:17AM

I have been contacted by the bishop and he has been a nice person to me. There are some questions he will have for me I know. And I will tell him about my doubts and how i found out about all the many issues, old and recent, that tell me how JS was a con man.
I am sure he will appeal to recent and old feelings, promptings of the spirit... Some things I still dont understand how i felt so good some times.
Anyway i only need some advice on what kind of questions he will ask me and how can i confront him.
In a sentence all i can say is " i know what Js and other leaders from the past did and say contrary to the law, christianity and good. That tells me that the claim that God was guiding them was not true. Therefore i dont believe this churh is the work of god. No matter how good their programs are, church is based in a bunch of lies, many where victims of the leaders, and only time will tell us what todays leaders hide from us. All i want to is to be respected for what i believe now and have them understand that any person in their normal senses, will come to the same conclusions, if they learned what really happened.

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Posted by: baura ( )
Date: April 22, 2013 01:28AM

It will come down to you having to convince him the Morg is
false. If you don't then, see, it MUST be true yadda yadda.

I would not discuss it with him. It's none of his business.
It's YOUR belief and YOUR life. Memorize the following phrase
and use it repeatedly:

"It's personal, I'd rather not discuss it."

You owe him no explanations whatsoever.

If they can fall back on, "it's too sacred to discuss," then you
can say, "It's personal, I'd rather not discuss it."

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Posted by: The Oncoming Storm - bc ( )
Date: April 22, 2013 01:33AM

It depends largely on how you want the conversation to go. Do you want to get into details.

In the discussion I had with my bishop and stake president (1st councilor) our conversations pretty much came down to - I did exactly what it said in D&C 9 - I studied it out and prayed.

As long as I tried to pray asking if the church was true I had a stupor of thought.

However, I prayed and ask if the church was false and I got a burning in my bosom that it was false and my mind and heart finally agreed.

So I prayed and know it is not true and you prayed and know it is true. Which of us is right? Why is your answer more valid than mine?

At that point they both pretty much dropped it and agreed to disagree and quit trying to persuade me.

In retrospect I kind of wish I had gone into more of the details of the problems.

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Posted by: Checker of minor facts ( )
Date: April 22, 2013 01:40AM

You don't need to visit or talk to him.
But if you do...
Repeat baura's talking point, repeatedly.
Do what you have to and keep him at a distance.

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Posted by: SusieQ#1 ( )
Date: April 22, 2013 02:42AM

It appears that you are still giving the bishop and his emissary authority and power to question you.

What do you think about the idea of not talking to them?

Think about it. How are your personal beliefs any of their business?

What would you think about taking your power back and refusing to discuss anything with them. At least, right now.

If you do decide to meet, meet them on YOUR territory, escort them to the door if they are out of order in any way.

My view? Keep it short.
I'm not interested in the LDS Church anymore. I don't believe in any of it. I'm moving on.
Thanks for your interest.
Bye.

(If you want to resign, this is a good time to hand over the letter.)

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Posted by: an991 ( )
Date: April 22, 2013 03:04AM

Stay in control of the conversation. Also, you know how people are solemn in bearing their testimony? Bear your counter testimony in the same fashion, you can produce similar feelings. The human mind is easy to manipulate

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Posted by: ipo ( )
Date: April 22, 2013 03:28AM

>"Some things I still dont understand how i felt so good some times."

Are you referring to "burning of the bosom"? If yes, then google "elevation emotion". It may be the nearest scientific description. Not exclusive to Mormonism. I experience it easiest while listening to music that appeals to my innermost "fibers".

Example:
http://boingboing.net/2008/12/04/studying-the-emotion.html

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