Anytime a church becomes anyone's sexual partner or mentor, it becomes a recipe for disaster. Look at the Catholic Church , pedophile priests? Muslims. Orthodox Jews. Mormons...

In mormonism, there is no mingling with the opposite sex in a natural and healthy environment. From the moment kids are pre-pubecent, they are separated and prepared for marriage. Even when they become of age they are treated as children until they are married in the temple and that agree to allow the church to be their 3rd spouse.

Up until this point member's sexuality has been owned by the church, this does not change after the ceremony. People who originally admired each other and barely had a short friendship are thrust into a sexual situation that they are not prepared for. Mormon's expectations and and sexual education happens mostly in their minds.

This leads to adults acting sexually as children. Grown men, bawling their eyes out to other men because they look at porn. Women who make sex a reward for good behavior.

These are a people who always have the word "inappropriate" running on a loop across their minds 24/7. Can I talk to a coworker that is of the opposite sex? well it could be inappropriate and we will end up naked in about 15 minutes, so I better not. Can I talk to a woman at church that is not my spouse? well only for a few seconds, lest someone see it as inappropriate. Should I give a ride to my neighbor's wife in a snowstorm? nope, it's inappropriate. A 7 year old girl wearing a tank top is somehow sexual and inappropriate.

No one owns their sexuality. They cant see art without thinking pornography. nudity is bad, it is pathetic. They are the most sexually repressed large group in the US. This has lead to countless unhappy marriages and lives.

I see the repercussions of this on this board. People telling others what is ok and not ok. Have we not learned that our actions and consequences are our own? Waht happens betwen the sheets, between consenting adult, whether its 3 women and man, two men, or whatever, its their business and their business only.

It's not just sexual immaturity. The brethren would like all members to act like the church is their daddy. Be dependent, be obedient, seek approval, let the brethren direct your life...

Every time I hear them called the brethren it sounds really creepy.

Brilliant points.

"From the moment kids are pre-pubecent, they are separated and prepared for marriage."

No, they are not. We are TOLD we are being prepared for marriage, but not one lesson, not one shred of doctrine, not one word you will ever hear from a church member prepares one for marriage. There is no there there.

Excellent. I am book marking this one.

There is no grooming to be better spouses. We are taught women are something bad for us until we say I do. Then the flood gates open and the complete inexperience feeds the failure.



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Ever attended a 'family' class? Pathetic.

Everything taught focused in Morland is a re-run of Pray, Pay, Obey

Mormon teachings about sex set members up for a dysfunctional sex life.

I very much appreciate your bringing up this thread erictheex. When I think of the impact that lack of knowledge of sexuality, dating and marriage had in my life and then zillion times that for all of mormondumb, it is truly both sickening and mind-blowing. If I could only retreive the countless minutes and hours I lost feeling so very guilty over issues that I had no need to feel guilty over, as well as just existing all alone with a zillion questions and concerns bumping each other in my head.

These important milestones in life, as with all other parts of life, need to be accompanied by instruction, tons of education, and love. Open communication with questions and answers and a "no-holds-bar" atmosphere is what will separate fact from myth and church indoctrination.

A child is an amazing miracle. The mormon cult does double-speak when it claims to elevate children and family onto a high pedestal when what they really do is encourage young girls and boys to marry and become parents telling them that the only preparation they need to do a wonderful job in both marriage and parenthood is to be a true, tith-paying, temple MORmON. Do they look at the number of marriages and children in trouble or failing to thrive and decide to make changes? No, and in my opinion, they will never take a glance in this direction unless it takes a dip in their money pocket. Why? Because, as has been stated, the first and primary need of MormonInc is control and power.

Thank you Prestley. One of the most devastating and frustrating subtle changes in "doctrine" has been to remove the mandate that you sohuld get married as soon as possible and put off education, finacial stability or preparation, becuase these are just evidence of a lack of faith that god will make it all work out later if you obey now.

becuase too many people were having too many kids and asking for help instead of creating income for the church the church madea change in "doctrine":

The p-hood manual changed to when and how many kids people have, its up to "them and The Lord". My GOD. What about people that followed the previous advice!? I did that. I was told by my mission president that as my prieshood leader he was giving me my next assignment: get home and marry as soon as possible. It took me 15 year to climb out of that financial hole. I was told that my wife should stay home. I worked 60 hours a week and went to school full time. I was the EQP in a very parge ward, that was about another 30-40 hours a week. Sometime we had nothing to eat. I pawnnned my wedding ring once to buy milk for my son once. My leaders treated me like a child: The Lord is just trying you, your faith is being tested becuase you are so great...

Now I make well in the six figures. But the momories and the lesson that mormonism has no clue about marriage is as clear on my mind as anything I have ever learned. Turns out that the blessings came, after I stopped paying tithing and got the proper education. They poured in when I stopped living my life within the confines of mormon catchphrases.

Going back to the original post: I was in europe recently, with 3 other couples on a topless beach in spain. To them it was not a big deal. Not at all. talking to their friend's wife topless was not sexual, at all. They are adults. One of them, another exmo, told me that he felt like an "adolescent" (this statement is what got me thinking about this topic) the first few times he went to the beach with his wife, becuase in the church EVERYTHING is inappropriate and sexual, everything IS ABOUT SEX. Sex is the great cookie jar that the church holds over people's heads. They ruin it for just about everyone.

I knew one mormon marriage that ended in divorce due to the wife not wanting to have sex. She was born in the church and had always been told what a horrible sin it was to have sex.

After she got married, she couldn't undo all the programming and her husband left her.

I also knew some other women who if anything that even hinted at sex was talked about or on TV etc, they would have to leave the room because they got so uncomfortable.

You're absolutely right that most mormons are sexually immature

it took years... but thankfully, the husband and I have mostly undone all of the years of mormon sexual brainwashing.

But good lord, our sex life in the beginning was AWFUL.... whenever I see two good little mormon virgins get married, I always cringe on the inside. I feel like I already know how their wedding night is going to pan out.

Mormon programming?


hey! Isn't (frmr times)sex necessary for having BICs/future missionaries?

I missed out on the youth brainwashing about sex; other than restricted conduct during pre-marriage years.... What are posters referring to?


side-bar: isn't it pretty-well established that most teens aren't (again, former times) prepared for the emotional aspects of sexual intimacy / health issues such as STDs, pregnancy?

Nevermind that mormon kids aren't even told the most basic facts of life such as the health issues you mentioned. Those who get permission get that info at school, usually in health class.

But what you're wondering about is this: There's a constant message that is pounded into your head, which is "Sex is bad, dirty, and dangerous and you should save it for your spouse, at which time, you should be able to flip a switch and start fucking like a Thai hooker, even though we won't tell you anything about how to actually DO that IRL. Good luck with that! And remember kids, sex is the sin that is just slightly less egregious than murder."

So exploration normal sexuality is not allowed, such as necking or petting (kids these days have different words for those things now...). Some kids aren't even allowed to kiss at all, some aren't allowed to hold hands. Some aren't even allowed to date one-on-one; they have to only go out in groups. I dated a boy whose mom wouldn't let us go out more than three times in a row. He had to take another girl out every third date (so we wouldn't get serious with each other and, you know, develop an actual relationship). You're not even supposed to ride in a car alone with the opposite sex because you have to avoid the APPEARANCE of evil. None of that is conducive to developing a normal, healthy sexuality.



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If an organization can control a person's sex drive, sex life, etc. That organiazation has the person on a hook and can control every other aspect of their life. They can control anything...