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Posted by: skeptifem ( )
Date: July 21, 2013 02:35PM

its a show in utah (on kjazz) about an anthropologist who looks for book of mormon proof (or something, hard to tell). I always seem to miss it! wtf is this show about? what could they be looking at?

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Posted by: michaelm (not logged in) ( )
Date: July 21, 2013 02:57PM

He is a journalist and his claims should make anthropologists and archaeologists cringe.

For example, here is a segment on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBcWZrJLpl4

At about 3:05 he talks about a letter Joseph Smith sent to Emma and brings up the Hopewell mound builders.

Now here is what is wrong and why Joseph Smith was wrong:

The Hopewell culture was built on independently domesticated crops (not maize). And evidence has been found of the use of those plants 5,000 years ago, before even any Jaradites would have arrived.

A Mound Complex in Louisiana at 5400-5000 Years Before the Present
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/277/5333/1796.abstract

"An 11-mound site in Louisiana predates other known mound complexes with earthen enclosures in North America by 1900 years. Radiometric, luminescence, artifactual, geomorphic, and pedogenic data date the site to over 5000 calendar years before present. Evidence suggests that the site was occupied by hunter-gatherers who seasonally exploited aquatic resources and collected plant species that later became the first domesticates in eastern North America."

For more about the plants and their independent domestication, see:

Eastern North America as an independent center of plant domestication
http://www.pnas.org/content/103/33/12223.full

The claims are in the same category as Rod Meldrum's and the Lost Civilizations of North America DVD.

Scientists have spoken out about these types of claims:

Statement about "The Lost Civilizations of North America" DVD
http://ohio-archaeology.blogspot.com/2010/12/commentary-on-lost-civilizations-of.html

"In our opinion, there is no compelling archaeological or genetic evidence for a migration from the Middle East to North America a few thousand years ago, nor is there any credible scientific evidence that Old World civilizations were involved in developing Native American cultures in pre-Columbian times."

Skeptical Inquirer, Volume 35.5, September/October 2011
Civilizations Lost and Found: Fabricating History - Part One: An Alternate Reality
http://www.csicop.org/si/show/civilizations_lost_and_found_fabricating_history_-_part_one_an_alternate_re/

Skeptical Inquirer, Volume 35.6, November/December 2011
Civilizations Lost and Found: Fabricating History - Part Two: False Messages in Stone
http://www.csicop.org/si/show/civilizations_lost_and_found_fabricating_history_-_part_two_false_messages/

Skeptical Inquirer, Volume 36.1, January/February 2012
Civilizations Lost and Found: Fabricating History - Part Three: Real Messages in DNA
http://www.csicop.org/si/show/civilizations_lost_and_found_fabricating_history_-_part_three_real_messages/

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Posted by: Chicken N. Backpacks ( )
Date: July 21, 2013 03:46PM

The "Hopewell" episode where he walks around with the convert guy and they explore the "forts" with ditches and berms and palisades that are talked about in the BoM? A quick google search turned up Revolutionary War fortifications that have....ditches and berms and palisades....

Wow.

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Posted by: SM ( )
Date: December 17, 2013 03:55PM

Look up the places he goes, all documented 2000 year old ruins studied and documented by non LDS ohio archeologists.... no where close to revolutionary war sites that happened on the east coast....wow...read your history books and open a map.

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Posted by: rhgc ( )
Date: December 17, 2013 04:07PM

You miss the point. JS referred to such based on his readings of materials about the War of 1812. The northern part of Ohio was part of Connecticut. SM, you fail to relate to the fact that the mounds were, by BoM dating, later than 5000 years ago.b

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Posted by: Whaaa! ( )
Date: December 17, 2013 04:18PM

does SM stand for stalwart mormon?

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Posted by: Senoritalamanita ( )
Date: December 17, 2013 07:44PM

I saw it once and wanted to vomit.

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