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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: September 09, 2014 02:10AM

Elohim, meet Yahweh. You deified dudes from the Dark Ages are blood brothers; otherwise, you wouldn't be claiming such a close relationship. (Forget the "as far as it's translated correctly" eyewash from the Mormon Church about the Bible's shortcomings. The LDS Church has never officially disavowed, repudiated or revised the "Good Book's" boilerplate female bashing outlined below. It's much like the Mormon Lurches' approach to the Book of Mormon. They say its the most correct book on Earth but they still keep in its blatantly racist parts. Go figure. And even if the Mormon Church had yanked out of the Bible its sordid sexist parts, the fact remains that the Bible still retains its loyal legions of loonies). .

From the "The Dark Bible," by Jim Walker:

". . . The Biblical View of Women

"The God of the Bible decrees that woman must submit to the dominance of man.

"'The social and legal position of an Israelite wife was inferior to the position a wife occupied in the great countries round about . . . . [A]ll the texts show that Israelites wanted mainly sons to perpetuate the family line and fortune, and to preserve the ancestral inheritance... A husband could divorce his wife; women, on the other hand, could not ask for divorce. . . . [T]he wife called her husband Ba'al or master; she also called him adon or lord; she addressed him, in fact, as a slave addressed his master or subject, his king. The Decalogue includes a man's wife among his possessions. . . . [A]ll her life she remains a minor. The wife does not inherit from her husband, nor daughters from their father, except when there is no male heir. A vow made by a girl or married woman needs, to be valid, the consent of the father or husband and if this consent is withheld, the vow is null and void. A man had a right to sell his daughter. Women were excluded from the succession." --Roland de Vaux, archaeologist and priest
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"Burn The Daughter!

"'And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.' (Leviticus 21:9)

"Comment

"A priest's daughter, if found to have lost her virginity without marriage, can receive the death penalty, but in the form of incineration.

"How many fundamentalist priests who so easily condemn others would carry out the burning of their daughters if they found them "whoring"?

"(See also Genesis 38:24)
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"Cut Off Her Hand!

"'When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her.' (Deuteronomy 25:11-12)

"Comment

"A wife would naturally wish to come to the aid of her husband in any way she could if he desperately struggled with an opponent, but the Hebrew law specifically forbade a wife to help her husband in distress if that support consisted of her grabbing the enemy's genitals in an effort to stifle his onslaught. The penalty? Amputation of the hand that fondled the [private parts]!

"Only in an overly-obsessive male-dominated culture could men create such atrocious laws. As such, the [male organ] ranked sacrosanct in the minds of men (as it still stands today). If a male lost his . . . for any reason, he would lose the right to enter a congregation of God. (See Deuteronomy 23:1)
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"Female Births Get Penalty

"'Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean.' (Leviticus 12:2)

"'But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying threescore and six days.' (Leviticus 12:5)

"Comment

"A woman who gives birth to a child must undergo a purification ritual lest her 'uncleanness' contaminate others. This not only entails her isolation, but also payments to priests for the ritual acts. Thus, the male dominators had even made birth dirty.

"Notice here that if a woman bears a female child, her isolation must last twice as long as that if she gives birth to a male child!

"(See also Psalms 51:3-5)

'The Bible and the Church have been the greatest stumbling blocks in the way of woman's emancipation.' --Elizabeth Cady Stanton
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"Female Inferiority

"'But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." (I Corinthians 11:3)

"'For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.' (I Corinthians 11:8-9)

"Comment

"The Bible's decree of male supremacy has kept woman inferior to men for centuries. For the religious, it comes as a sad fact that a human must have a [male organ] to receive any respect or power within the Church.

"All woman should realize that such phrases in the Bible has justified for many Christian men, not only their supremacy but a reason to sexually abuse women.

"(See also I Cor. 14:34-36, I Timothy 2:8-15, I Peter 3:1-7, Ephesians 5:22-24, Col. 3:18-19)
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"Jesus Will Kill Children

"'Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.' (Revelation 2:22-23)

"Comment

"If anyone thinks Jesus represents only a peaceful loving soul, then think again. For an act of adultery, Jesus would kill innocent children for the adultery of others; hardly fair justice, love, or the concern for human beings.

"Some apologists claim that 'children' refers to the followers of a cult of Jezebel and not to children birthed from Jezebel. However, if this proved the case, the situation would appear even more horrific, for a cult of believers could number in the dozens, hundreds, thousands, or more. The deaths of these multitude of cult believers (which would include children within its membership) would only make the moralistic problem far more atrocious.

"'It's interesting to speculate how it developed that in two of the most anti-feminist institutions, the church and the law court, the men are wearing the dresses.' --Flo Kennedy
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"Kill The Witches!

"'Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. Whoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death. He that sacrificeth unto any god, save to the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.' (Exodus 22:18-20)

"Comment

"These verses attest to the power of belief as they led to the slaughter of thousands of defenseless people throughout Europe and the rest of the world.

"Understand that these verses not only authorize the executions but they explicitly command them.

"Verse 18 justified the burning of women in Europe judged as witches. In early America, the Salem witch trials resulted in the deaths of women and men.

"Verse 19 refers to bestiality, a sin considered worthy of death. Christians used verse 20 to justify religious wars, Crusades and the slaughter of unbelievers throughout Europe. And the condemnation of heretics still goes on.
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"Rape My Daughter!

"'Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing. But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go.' (Judges 19:24-25)

"Comment

"Judges 19 describe a father who offers his virgin daughter to a drunken mob. When the father says 'unto this man do not so vile a thing,' he makes clear that sexual abuse should never befall a man (meaning him), yet a woman, even his own flesh and blood, or a concubine belonging to a perfect stranger, can receive punishment from men to do what they wish. This attitude against women still persists to this day and we have the Bible, in large part, to thank for this attitude against women.

"Verse 25 describes the hours long gang rape of the poor concubine. The Bible gives not one hint of passion or concern for the raped girl. Considering that many people believe that every word in the Bible comes from God, it should not surprise anyone why people still use these verses to justify such atrocities.
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"Silence The Woman!

"'Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not dec'ived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.' (I Timothy 2:11-14)

"Comment

"Another case where the Bible makes it quite clear that women live for man and must submit to them.

"'Man enjoys the great advantage of having a god endorse the code he writes; and since man exercises a sovereign authority over women it is especially fortunate that this authority has been vested in him by the Supreme Being. For the Jews, Mohammedans and Christians among others, man is master by divine right; the fear of God will therefore repress any impulse towards revolt in the downtrodden female.' --Simone de Beauvoir, The Second Sex 1949

"(See also I Cor. 11:3-12, I Cor. 14:34-36, I Peter 3:1-7, Ephesians 5:22-24, Col. 3:18-19.)
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"Stone The Woman!

"'If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her.' (Deuteronomy 22:22)

"'Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.' (Deuteronomy 22:24)

"Comment
"
(Read also Deuteronomy 22:13-21)

"The discovery of a bride lying with another man can yield disastrous results.

"If the wife's parents can produce tokens of the damsel's virginity and spread the cloth before the elders of the city, the husband has to pay the bride's father one hundred silver shekels and he may not send his wife back to her parents as long as she lives. But if the bride's virginity does not satisfy the requirements, the husband can get rid of her by letting the men of the city stone her to death.

"From a practical level, these designed laws regulating women's virginity protected economic transactions between men rather than for the sake of morality. (See 'Virgin's Worth' below)
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"'Virgin' Mistranslation

"'Therefore, the LORD himself shall give you a sign: Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.' (Isaiah 7:14)

"Comment

"Perhaps the most famous mistranslation of the Bible, the word 'virgin' here comes from a mistranslated Greek word for virgin.

"The original Hebrew version uses the word 'alma'" which means 'young woman.' which may or may not refer to a virgin. Of course the context of the original Hebrew Isaiah does not refer to a virgin at all, as scholars the world over agree, but only refers to a young woman.

"Later, the author of Matthew 1:22-23, quoted from the mistranslated Isaiah version, and thus the error turned into a world-wide belief.

"Today, a few of the modern Bibles, such as the 'Revised Standard Version,' have corrected this mistranslation and have replaced the word virgin with "young woman." (Isaiah 7:14, 'RSV')

"Apparently, either God makes errors or the Bible does not come from God, but rather from fallible men.


"Virgin's Worth

"'If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silvers, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.' (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)

"Comment

"The belief some get about the Biblical law leads them to think that it represented a great advancement in morality. However, if we look at this law in the social and economic context, it becomes evident that it did not come from any moral ground, but rather to protect men's property rights of their wives and daughters.

"This law says that since an unmarried girl, a non-virgin, no longer serves as an economically valuable asset, her father must receive compensation. As for the legal requirement of the man that caused the economic problem, his marriage in that society gave him practically unlimited power over their wives. Such forced marriage can hardly serve as a concern for the poor girl's welfare.
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"Wives, Submit Yourselves!

"'Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.' (Ephesians 5:22-24)

"Comment

"These words of Paul describe another instance for the calling of the submission of women to their husbands. Note that the all inclusive "everything" could allow husbands to submit their wives to anything, including rape, beatings, slavery, etc.

"(See also I Cor. 11:3-12, I Cor. 14:34-36, I Timothy 2:8-15, I Peter 3:1-7, Col. 3:18-19.)
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"Women Shall Not Speak

"'Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.' (I Corinthians 14:34-35)

"Comment

"If one ever wishes to find an explanation of woman's inferiority to men, one only has to look in the Bible. Paul makes clear and delineates the importance of woman recognizing her place, 'ad nauseam.'

"(See also I Cor. 11:3-12, I Timothy 2:8-15, I Peter 3:1-7, Ephesians 5:22-24, Col. 3:18-19.)

"'The Bible teaches that women brought sin and death into the world, that she precipitated the fall of the race, that she was arraigned before the judgment seat of Heaven, tried, condemned and sentenced. Marriage for her was to be a condition of bondage, maternity a period suffering and anguish, and in silence and subjection, she was to play the role of a dependent on man's bounty for all her material wants, and for all the information she might desire. . .. Here is the Bible position of woman briefly summed up.' --Elizabeth Cady Stanton
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"Women's Sorrow

"'Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.' (Genesis 3:16)

"Comment

"Not only does the Woman get blamed for the Fall, but God decides to multiply her sorrow, plus, she must submit to her husband like a slave.

"Religionists have used this verse as justification and 'reason' for the pain and punishment (sin) of childbirth and the sin of mankind. And to this day many Christians, Jews and Islamics place women lower then men in the ranking of Godly order. If ever there existed a more cruel justification against women, it could not have done as much damage as from belief in Genesis 3:16. Because of the belief in the Fall, countless Christians have branded the entire human race as depraved.

"Before the advent of male-dominated religions, cultures around the world respected women and worshipped goddesses. The Old Testament records the brutal slaughter of surrounding cultures and slowly throughout the centuries, the goddess religions faded away in place of the belief-system of a jealous, scatological, male war god.

"'Christianity teaches that the human race is depraved, fallen, and sinful.' --D. James Kennedy ('Why I Believe,' World Publishing, 1980)
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"Rip Up Pregnant Women

"'Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.' (Hosea 13:16)

"Comment

"Throughout the Bible, God smites those who do not believe in him or those who do not follow his commands. Here we have the grotesque description of infants dashed to pieces and pregnant women ripped up. Whatever rebellious nature an infant's father or mother may have had, it bears no justice to an innocent child or to an unborn fetus who could not possibly have rebelled against God, much less understood him.

"Anyone who claims to love such a God, must accept infanticide as one of God's ugly revenges.

"(See also Psalms 137:9)
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"The Wicked Woman

"'Give me any plague, but the plague of the heart: and any wickedness, but the wickedness of a woman.' (Eccles. 25:13)

"'Of the woman came the beginning of sin, and through her we all die.' (Eccles. 25:22)

"'If she go not as thou wouldest have her, cut her off from thy flesh, and give her a bill of divorce, and let her go.' (Eccles. 25: 26)

"'The whoredom of a woman may be known in her haughty looks and eyelids. If thy daughter be shameless, keep her in'straitly, lest she abuse herself through overmuch liberty." (Eccles. 26:9-10)

"'A silent and loving woman is a gift of the Lord: and there is nothing so much worth as a mind well instructed. A shamefaced and faithful woman is a double grace, and her continent mind cannot be valued.' (Eccles. 26:14-15)

"'A shameless woman shall be counted as a dog; but she that is shamefaced will fear the Lord.' (Eccles.26:25)

"'For from garments cometh a moth, and from women wickedness. Better is the churlishness of a man than a courteous woman, a woman, I say, which bringeth shame and reproach.' (Eccles. 42:13-14)

"Comment

"Ecclesiasticus of the Apocrypha does not appear in most Bibles. However, in Catholic Bibles, the inferiority of woman still appears in the verses of Ecclesiasticus. These verses give only a sampling from this book that lowers the status of women."

(Source: "The Dark Bible," by Jim Walker, 2006. at: http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible7.htm)

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God-bashing of women through the centuries. Leave it up to insecure men to come up with such a stupid, sexist, superstitious idea.



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Posted by: The Invisible Green Potato ( )
Date: September 09, 2014 05:30AM

Steve, you missed out on a quote from the Gospel of Thomas, verse 114:

Simon Peter said to him, "Let Mary leave us, for women are not worthy of life."
Jesus said, "I myself shall lead her in order to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every woman who will make herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven."


http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,1362984,1362984#msg-1362984

That's right folks, only women who become male will go to the Garden of Eden in the third level of the sky!

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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: September 09, 2014 12:45PM

. . . not an uncanonized anti-woman swipe. But thanks for the reference, nonetheless. The history of pervasive, religion-based misogyny runs wide and deep, at all kinds of levels, online and off, so to speak. It's a disease, an infection of the mind and inherently manipulative, degrading and inhumane.

But, hey, that's God for ya.



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Posted by: releve ( )
Date: September 09, 2014 10:43AM

While discussing my journey from Mormonism to Atheism, my TBM cousin asked if I was not afraid that I might be wrong. My reply was that if she was right, we might both be in much more trouble, given the nature of the Judeo Christian God.

Living the life of a female in the US has included some challenges and some danger, but it has been a picnic compared to the life of a female in the Middle East. Those women are oppressed by societies that worship the god of the old testament.

Mormons don't like to dwell on the misogyny of their doctrine. In fact, they continue to pat women on the head and laud their ability to procreate as divine. One endowment session should prove to a woman that equality in TSCC does not exist, isn't meant to exist and in eternity will not exist.

Why would I want to spend eternity shackled by the laws of a Misogynistic God? That sounds like everlasting punishment to me.

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Posted by: Amomnomo ( )
Date: September 09, 2014 10:55AM

I don't know why Mormon feminists don't just walk away from their abuser. They must be pretty entrenched in the culture to stick with something so fundamentally flawed.

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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: September 09, 2014 12:47PM

It is a complicated mix of factors that leads to the victimization of women. Study it a bit and you'll better understand its destructive dynamics. Here's a basic reference point for starters:

http://www.domesticviolenceroundtable.org/domestic-violence-cycle.html



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Posted by: Doxi ( )
Date: September 09, 2014 02:49PM

I really was a pretty good- well, an okay- Catholic once upon a time. I had only read a few parts of the Bible. I only quit being a Catholic after marrying The Best Man Ever™ , who- oops!- just happened to be divorced. The Catholic church sees me as a harlotty adultress.

I decided several years ago that I wanted to read the Bible. The whole thing.

Anyway, when I first read all the above stuff in the Bible that let's face it, describes how God doesn't like women and basically thinks they're not only inferior but nasty and dirty(all those Levitical laws about how disgusting a woman's "." is)too, I was crushed. Frankly, it hurt. Like when I was a child and a good friend had all of a sudden told me I was a creep and I stank and they didn't want to hang around with me anymore!

It still hurts my feelings, frankly. I'm not sure if I believe or not, I still vacillate a lot, but I'm not a masochist so it's awful hard for me to want to love and serve, and live forever with, someone who has such contempt and loathing for me because of the way HE MADE ME!!!

Okay, flame away. I know it's stupid and childish, but...

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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: September 09, 2014 06:15PM

The Bible says about women what the Bible says about women--and no denying can get around that fact. The Bible's God, by its own accounts, is a malicious, abusive, mentally disturbed father--even if, for the sake of argument, he made you. If tried in a court of law, this God monster of a father would be tried, convicted and punished for his crimes.



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Posted by: Doxi ( )
Date: September 09, 2014 06:53PM

Okay, Steve, you're right on. I allow it... that's one of the reasons I feel rather silly about it. It's childish. But it's also real. I'm being honest.

Normally I'm a tough old broad! I really do not let silly $Ħ!† like that get to me. But there are times when stuff like that can sneak up and bite me in the @$$. The past has a way of doing that too.

But the fact remains... why in the ĦƐⱢⱢ would I- or any woman- want to spend eternity with a mean old @$$Ħ@† who loathes her?

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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: September 09, 2014 08:03PM

It may not be a rational one but it, nonetheless, is very real and meaningful to those who harbor the beliefs that bring meaning to their lives.

As heartwarming as certain myths can be to individuals and as central to the human communities they create, a belief in a Super Sky Daddy who demeans, controls and subjegates women is a manifestation of primitive cultural creation, iwhere such societies have historically been organized and dominated by men who structure and perpetuate those societies under male-created and -enforced rules that serve to primarily benefit the men (or at least they think these societies serve to benefit the men and everyone under their chauvinistic odmination; the trick is to convince women that the men supposedly know what is best for the women). These kinds of patriarchal societies arise at the expense and dignity of women who can offer as much intellectual, creative capital as men and, indeed, who in their own ways, bring to society perspectives and strengths that represent powerful and unique female insights and abilities.

Guys need to get off their arrogant invent-God-in-their-own-image obsession and, instead, start regarding and treating women as equals. Until that happens, societies will drift in the shallows of stuntedness, injustice and stagnation. The historically sexist Bible needs to get with the times and get rid of the crimes. Women are passing it by--as is human civilization in general (as slow as that progress appears at times to be).



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Posted by: drilldoc ( )
Date: September 09, 2014 07:51PM

I can't comment on most of the passages because I don't know the context under what they were written. Nor do I understand ancient Jewish culture. Nonetheless, the part about the mistranslation "young woman" would not make any sense in its context. "The LORD himself shall give you a sign." What is so significant about a young woman giving birth? Nothing. A virgin would be a significant event, however. So is this a mistranslation or misinterpretation by modern day scholars trying to understand an ancient text? I don't know, but "young woman" would not be much of a sign.

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Posted by: MCR ( )
Date: September 09, 2014 08:43PM

You don't understand the "context" in which the passages were written? I'll tell you the context, fear and loathing of women. There is no way to dress this up nice.

And birth by a virgin is a sign? Like, who would ever believe that sign? "Hi, I'm pregnant, but I'm a virgin. No, really. . ." It only sounds like a plausible sign to you because you've had millennia of cultural indoctrination making it seem like a realistic "sign" to you. To anyone outside the cultural context of believing this tripe for generations--like the first people who heard it, the people around Mary--it's guffaw-worthy!

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Date: September 10, 2014 01:00AM


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Posted by: Son of Abraham ( )
Date: September 09, 2014 09:52PM

I sometimes wonder if we are all on the same planet...

According to UN report this year in Saudi Arabia - apparently sorcery, adultery and drug smuggling will get you beheaded:

“The trials are by all accounts grossly unfair. Defendants are often not allowed a lawyer and death sentences were imposed following confessions obtained under torture. The method of execution then aggravates a situation that is already totally unacceptable,” the experts said in a press release from the Geneva-based UN Human Rights Office (OHCHR).

According to the experts, so far in 2014, at least 45 people have been executed in Saudi Arabia. Between 4 and 22 August, 22 people were executed, which represents an average of one execution per day. These included at least eight people beheaded for non-violent crimes including drug-smuggling and sorcery. Other offences resulting in beheading have reportedly included adultery and apostasy.

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=48672#.VA-t_GRdWiM

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Posted by: Watsup ( )
Date: September 09, 2014 11:44PM

Not sure I understand why Steve seems obsessed about atheism on an ex mormon website. He has been doing this for years. Steve, you cannot know that God does not exist. We can know that mormon prophets are frauds. Me thinks doth protest too much.

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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: September 10, 2014 01:15AM

. . . peddling your sacred belief in faith-fueled fairy tales, including the whopper that this imaginary "Adam" dude of yours had no navel?:

http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,1370832,1373889#msg-1373889


As to your argument that I do not know that God does not exist, that is one of the dumbest and inane arguments put forward by desperate believers. Earth to Watsup: It is not my job to prove a negative. (This is a basic concept from Debate 101, should you ever decide to take any such entry-level course in thinking). It is your job to prove your posit that God does exist. Let me make this simple for you: Using your "logic," you cannot know that the Saturn's rings are not powered by unicorn poop unseen by the naked eye. So there.

As far as prophets being frauds is concerned, here's a list of them from the Bible for your reading enjoyment:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Failed_biblical_prophecies


As an added bonus for you to pray about, what of the fact that there is virtually no evidence--as in none, nada, poof--of some guy named Moses leading the Israelites through the desert for 40 years. Indeed, respected archaeologists have noted the absolute lack of evidence for that purported wonderful wandering, even though in the hot, dry climate of Israel's deserts, conditions are such that preservations of artifacts from this alleged four-decade stumbling-around would be both discoverable and evident. I have been to Israel's desert country. Go to Masada, where you can still see to this day the tent peg hold that Roman soldiers made when encamping around the fortress, preparing to assault the Jewish holdouts on top. If there was no Moses-led exodus, as the Bible claims, then what does that say for the "prophets" of the Bible? (And, no, the "Ten Commandmemnts" starring Chuck Heston as Moses doesn't count).

As far as the "Exodus" goes, here's another brain drain for you:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evidence_for_the_Exodus



And I notice your resounding silence when it comes to addressing the inconvenient details noted in the OP about historical woman hatred as it is openly recorded in the Bible, by chapter and verse, even.
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Methinks you are way too insecure with regard to those who dare say that they don't buy your holy hogwash. Now, back to your own wonderful wanderings. :)



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Posted by: Watsup ( )
Date: September 10, 2014 01:31AM

Watsup thinks you are very angry at God which is a eculiar spot to be in for a putative atheist. The amount of God bashing you do is truly astounding. Your life is not God"s fault. Blame free will and idiocy instead.

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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: September 10, 2014 01:33AM

You have offered none. You are a God addict--high on fantasy, short on facts. Whining about "Gpd-bashing" is shorthand for you not having an argument.

Like Mark Twain said, "Faith is believing in something you know ain't true."



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Posted by: Watsup ( )
Date: September 10, 2014 01:39AM

You are a legend in your own mind Steve. An angry legend, but still a legend nonetheless. Stop the hate, it is tiresome and frankly boring.

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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: September 10, 2014 01:41AM

. . . or Sunday School, same thing. Buck up or pack up, you Cowboy for Christ, you.

And if I'm really that "tiresome" and "boring," then simply ignore my posts. Betchya can't do it. :)

(You are privately angry that God doesn't exist and are blaming me for your grumpy feelings arising that inner realization of yours).



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Posted by: Watsup ( )
Date: September 10, 2014 01:46AM

Wow you do not know when to quit. This is hilarious. Why do you hate God? Watsup with that? Answer the question Steve. One does not post hate letters to God incessantly without a reason. Is it your grandpa? Yeah that's it.

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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: September 10, 2014 01:48AM

. . . when to stop writing to me.

Why do you hate people who regard your God as a complete illusion?

Try not to write me back, unless you can't help yourself.



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Posted by: WATSUP ( )
Date: September 10, 2014 02:03AM

I'll make you a deal: You tell me why you hate God and post like a possessed man, I tell you why Watsup speaks in the third person. Deal?

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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: September 10, 2014 02:37AM

. . . and I'll think for the both of us.



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Posted by: watsup ( )
Date: September 10, 2014 02:08AM

That last post was directed at Steve. But I will make him the same deal.

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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: September 10, 2014 02:41AM

Too bad you can't deal with reality.



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Posted by: baura ( )
Date: September 10, 2014 02:08AM

I find it interesting that in the last presidential campaign one
of the topics that people discussed was the fact that Mitt
Romney's church USED to not allow blacks of African descent to
hold their priesthood.

It is interesting that no one discussed the fact that Mitt
Romney's Church CURRENTLY does not allow women to hold their
priesthood.

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Posted by: ladell ( )
Date: September 10, 2014 02:11AM

Personally, I prefer women of the post-old testament mindset. They are a lot more fun.

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