I think it is fairly safe to assume following general conference that membership has taken a significant hit.

One would assume that an organization based on PR would handle this far better than they do.

People who leave are further insulted by:

Use of "bitter apostate"
Allegations of porn addiction
Counsel of spouses to divorce and remove children
Gang stalking
regular stalking
alienation of children from their peers
Negative rumors started about them
encouragement of families to strong arm people, especially financially, to return to LDS Inc.

SMC tactics
Allegations of drug and alcohol abuse
the stalking of children
The destruction of families

The list goes on.

By doing these actions…which are condoned if not outrightly encouraged by LDS senior management…people will not only not return…they will actively do what they can to sabotage LDS Inc.

home land security

for your own good

of course


hi deco!

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> home land security
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> for your own good
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> of course
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> hi deco!

and a hat tip to our NSA visitors also reading this!!

so what ?

come come ye saints

the water's fine

and it beat's wearin this......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5If816MhoU

I know for certain that the mormon church is bad mouthing me and my husband.


They can have at it.

All I do is tell people the truth about the mormon church. I can show them where the citations and proof of what I say can be found.

I'm still handing out little cards by the hundreds. The little cards have -Mormonthink- and -ces letter- written on them. That's all. Anyone who wants to go online and see what the mormon church has been up to, can. I'm just telling them where to look.

They've spread a rumor around my former Utah ward that I have "mental issues." You can't escape being tarred in some way by these people. They have to have a reason other than "He no longer believes the theology an doctrine."

They do their level best to try and destroy your reputation. Too bad for them that DH and I never made our circle of friends in mormon land.

We've always maintained nevermo friendships. Because of that, our life didn't really change that much. The biggest change was we took Sunday and our money back. Don't miss anyone I met at church.

I don't know what they've been saying about us, but it must be good. Mormons run and hide when they see us.

One of the guys in the bishopric is a friend of DH. He's so confused. He can't figure out why our life is just as good (if not better), while his is falling completely apart. He's lost his house, his family, and on the verge of losing his job. He still gives his all to mormonism. I'm waiting for him to ask the "why?" question. He's the only mormon that has anything to do with us.

Yes, they do. The YM president told the combined YM that I left because I stole from the church and I stole from the members.

Whatever.

I have to say that reading these posts, I am able to look at the destructive behavior that was directed at me and know that I haven't been alone. Wow. All these years I gave and gave and after living in the same ward for 40 years when I left, I said goodbye to no one and later called one lady who has always been a perfect friend and is to this day. Thanks for sharing

Yes, they did the whole "mental issues" character assassination thing to me too. Consider it a compliment. Anyone who can leave w/o having cognitive dissonance "mental issues" was likely not TBM in the 1st place. Leaving a insular cult (addiction to a Religion) will naturally cause a person pain.

Break the Chains anyway!

I don't give a rusty fuck what Mormons may be saying about me. If any TBM's in Lethbridge are trolling this site, they undoubtedly know who I am, as I'm well known in the area for my advocacy work and my folks were well known and beloved in the LDS community. My doc, dentist and pharmacist are all TBM (might even be a couple bishops in that lot) but we all get along just fine...if that changed we'd get replacements...no biggie. I fear no one...especially any Mormons.

Ron Burr

Lethbridge Reprobate Wrote:
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> I don't give a rusty fuck what Mormons may be
> saying about me. If any TBM's in Lethbridge are
> trolling this site, they undoubtedly know who I
> am, as I'm well known in the area for my advocacy
> work and my folks were well known and beloved in
> the LDS community. My doc, dentist and pharmacist
> are all TBM (might even be a couple bishops in
> that lot) but we all get along just fine...if that
> changed we'd get replacements...no biggie. I fear
> no one...especially any Mormons.
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> Ron Burr

However, the people not on your list are a spouse or employer. LDS Inc routinely exploits people in these positions to do their dirty work.

Ron, if you read my post, I spent 43 years in Edmonton and that's where I ran away from. I moved 2,000 miles away.

I knew Clair and Doreen Burr in Edmonton. They were always nice to me. Any relation to you

Well I hear what you mean about family names and all.

A pox on all their houses!

I'm all but convinced that a former branch president left some sort of "black-balled" notation in my records. Probably had something to do with me not "respecting" the local church royalty's offspring. (One of those "we have the right last name, so we should run everything" deals where most people are too intimidated to stand up against it.) I haven't been contacted in any fashion in almost ten years, and I doubt I ever will be.

Ron's legitimate point aside, the problem is that Mormons claim to want to "save the lost sheep." They also claim to be a good example people should want to emulate. Instead, they act like rat b@stards (no offense to the root beer of the same name.) You can't treat people like dirt and expect them to respect you or even tolerate you. You can't lie and claim high standards - or rather expect to be credited for high standards. You can't behave like a jerk and not realize that everyone is thinking "I don't want to be like you." Most of all, you can't claim to be a Christian and behave like a pathological liar. I'm no bible scholar but I believe the bible mentions numerous times that Satan is the father of lies, that liars will be thrust down to hell, that bearing false witness against your neighbor is one of the big ten sins, up there with adultery and murder and that in the book of Revelations somewhere it says the only people in hell are murderers, adulterers and liars.

Now again, whether or not you believe in Christianity, Mormons DO claim to try to live up to a Christian - even a higher than Christian - standard and then they just LIE about former members without shame. Without even thinking about it. Because to them, it feels good to lie - to make yourself look good by making others look bad. They just commit what, by their own standards, is a fairly heinous sin, and then go on their merry ways without giving the matter a second thought. And without even considering the fact that maybe the reason lying is such a big deal in Christianity is because lying and bad-mouthing Christ got him killed. No surprise the Christian God ranks Satan as the father of lies, rather than the father of adultery or coffee-drinkers or any of what Mormons consider big sins. While I don't believe in Satan, if there were a Satan, getting people who believe they are good to lie - when lying is considered such a big sin - would be my go to position because it's easier to get a Mormon to lie than commit adultery or drink coffee and once they lie, they become just like Papa Stan. And this is according to them and their teachings, which they conveniently forget all the time.

When any organization offends millions of people (which is an entirely different thing than being offended by the actions of individuals), creates a culture of lies and narcissism, and refuses to publicly acknowledge their wrong doing, people leave in large numbers. They're too caught up in their own delusions of self-importance to see the error of their ways. So nothing will change for that cult. But as long as the money flows in, they don't care.

Apparently I left my husband for another man I had met on the internet....and then left the church at the same time...


While in reality it was the exact opposite!

My husband left ME, for someone else and got me and my children 'evicted' from the USA as we didn't have independant Visa's to stay without being married to him yet.

And then I left the church yes...

obviously there was a lot wrong with our marriage in the first place, but I only found out recently that the gossip about me had been so backwards.

Mind blowing really..

I have started actions with our current bishop to have my records cleaned up from the slanders that previous bishops and missionaries nave no doubt left in my file, all as a result of their sins against me and my family. Current bishop is sympathetic, and the other guys are clearly guilty of violations of their priesthood covenants. They need to do this as part of their repentance for their sins, and I intend to help them, as an act of Christian love.