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Posted by: BeenThereDunnThatExMo ( )
Date: March 26, 2015 01:10AM

...and how many of the rest of what's left over became Church Janitors???

Or so it seems to me...

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Posted by: dydimus ( )
Date: March 26, 2015 01:18PM

Well, if we look at the world's population by skin color:
approximately 80% weren't as valiant:
http://cleanskincare.com.au/skin/skin-and-the-effects-of-migration/attachment/skin-color-chart-for-the-world/

So for leaving out the "fence sitting" spirits, it looks like the "Spiritual Army" for Jehovah's plan was much smaller (I mean extremely smaller) than Lucifer's.

Isn't it great to dismiss logic when reliving our TBM days?!?!

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Posted by: Darren Steers ( )
Date: March 26, 2015 01:25PM

dydimus Wrote:
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>
> So for leaving out the "fence sitting" spirits, it
> looks like the "Spiritual Army" for Jehovah's plan
> was much smaller (I mean extremely smaller) than
> Lucifer's.
>
> Isn't it great to dismiss logic when reliving our
> TBM days?!?!

That doesn't dismiss logic, it reinforces the church teachings that were were all super-valiant mega-warriors in the pre-existence.

We were that awesome we beat that nasty Stan guy even though he had a bigger army!

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Posted by: baura ( )
Date: March 26, 2015 05:30PM

In a country where Black-African ethnicity qualified one for
slavery, the Mormons come up with a doctrine that those of
Black-African ethnicity are cursed as to the priesthood and/or
temple blessings. As time goes on and the Church expands they
have to deal with dark-skinned peoples from places other than
Africa--India, Fiji Islands etc. The powers that be decide
that these dark-skinned (who did not qualify for slavery in the
USA) peoples are not cursed as the Black-Africans are.

Then a dozen years after the Civil Rights Act of 1964, when
racism has flipped in the USA from tolerated to despised, the
Church gets a "revelation" that there will be no more
discriminating against Black-African peoples.

Three decades later they publish an unsigned essay disavowing
the "less valiant in the preexistence" teachings of the past.

QUESTION: Is God following the changing national moods of the
USA or what? This looks more like following fashions than the
unfolding of an eternal plan.

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Posted by: dydimus ( )
Date: March 27, 2015 09:03PM

Just a side note*** The pressure from Stanford and Cal State in the 70's saying they wouldn't play B.Y.U. because of the racist organization...Well behold the P.R. nightmare and loss of advertising, donor dollars made Jesus see the light and start to love Black People all over again!!!

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: March 28, 2015 12:47PM

Don't forget what happened to YBU in Seattle / the U.Washington...

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Posted by: moremany ( )
Date: March 29, 2015 12:25AM

GNPE Wrote:
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> Don't forget what happened to YBU in Seattle / the
> U.Washington...

What?

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Posted by: uptodate ( )
Date: March 27, 2015 07:23PM

you do know that the whole "more valiant" stuff was repudiated in the essay on race, don't you?

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Posted by: azsteve ( )
Date: March 28, 2015 05:19AM

Brigham Young said (as a part of recorded history) that the whole black race is cursed because they weren't valient in the pre-existance. Some anonymous person on the church website says they weren't cursed. Based on what we've been taught our whole lives, who are we supposed to believe... the prophet or some anonymous person? It's interesting to note that the church is hoping that you believe the teachings of an anonymous person over the teachings of a prophet.

Does anyone have a copy of one of the pamphlets published in the 1960's by the church about the black race?

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Posted by: nonmo_1 ( )
Date: March 28, 2015 09:33AM

Nonmormon logic here....

So if 1/3 of the black spirits were neutral, why are/were they treated like those black spirits that DID follow satan?

And how can anyone really tell who followed who AFTER they get a body on Adam's earth??



Inquiring minds want to know

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Posted by: rhgc ( )
Date: March 28, 2015 09:41AM

It is an especially interesting question since the whole Adam story in Genesis is fiction. The alleged war in heaven is mentioned only once in the Bible and never mentions us being there. Fiction on fiction.

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Posted by: verilyverily ( )
Date: March 28, 2015 02:05PM

"War in Heaven" is the biggest oxymoron I've ever seen.
Morons made it up.
Heaven doesn't have wars, that is why it is called heaven, DUH!

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: March 29, 2015 12:42AM

YAY !

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Posted by: Chicken N. Backpacks ( )
Date: March 29, 2015 12:34AM

Exactly, what's to keep the CK from becoming a potential war zone when one of those spirit babies gets all uppity and starts a fuss?

I'd like to hear an explanation about that....

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