Wow! I wish this scenario would repeat itself across Mormondom. I think the teacher's shelf just grew heavier.
I also love the exchange about the spirit. Teacher says he felt moved by the spirit to discuss racism with his class. His bishop returns with a childish, "oh yeah? The spirit told me to tell you to stop."
DH and I had this spirit problem with our SP. Oddly, the spirit gave us conflicting information. Screwing the doctrine of personal revelation, the SP's spirit trumped ours.
crookedletter Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > DH and I had this spirit problem with our SP. > Oddly, the spirit gave us conflicting information. > Screwing the doctrine of personal revelation, the > SP's spirit trumped ours.
What a revealing article. So many sentences in the article say so much. Here is one:
"...and church was not the right venue for the discussion."
Nothing like saying you can't discuss church stuff in church. Or things relevant to the country and world. Nothing like muffling teachers who use "outside [LDS] resources material" to teach their classes.
Looking at the church as if it were a baby on my lap, I would chuck it lightly on the cheeks, grab its little feet, and coo, "Who's shooting them in their little feet? Who's shooting them in their little feet? Yeah! Yeah! You, that's who! Who's shooting them in their little feet?"
So funny, and so very true. I'm surprised TSCC has anything other than bloody stumps left considering the expert podiatric marksmanship on display so often.
Soviet style censorship. The essays were meant to trick outsiders into thinking the church deals honestly with its past. But don't mention it during indoctrination sessions.
I think the essays were in response to Tom Phillips fraud lawsuit. Now the church can say "See, we're not hiding anything- our history in our website- hard to find, but it's there"
But, they really don't want anyone to read them, and certainly not teach from them. Cowards!
The church clearly wants the essays out there so they can point to them and say - "see we are trying to get the truth out".
But for god's sake no member should ever refer to them or discuss them in any church gathering. This is especially true when teaching the youth. We want to keep lying to them so they will go on missions and marry other MO-Bots and have lots of MO-Bot children.
What a crock of we all know what! Day by day TSCC gets sicker and sicker. Before long only complete idiots will be able to stomach it.
This has been the Mormon way since day one. Joseph Smith often said one thing and did another. He repeatedly lied about only having one wife while at the same time having sexual relationships with literally dozens of women.
Joseph Fielding Smith, the longest serving church historian, was one of the biggest liers TSCC has ever produced. He claimed on numerous occasions that the church history is correct and true while, at the same time, hiding away the very documents which clearly prove that it isn't.
Many of you have said it before: Mormons are their own worst enemies. I am happy to see this in press. We can hope that Huffington or somebody picks it up.
The list grows longer and longer of what the cult controls. I love Templar's observation:
"Before long only complete idiots will be able to stomach it."
Hells bells, I hope he is right. I have some family members I am so ready to see roll on out of the cult. They do not deserve to be in it and to treated by the cult as Facist Drones.
As I just posted on another thread, go ahead you stupid, silly, dangerous cult. Keep on adding silly rule after rule as you are only making more and more thinking members leave.
You mean, he found a quick way to get out of his unpaid ministry? This sounds like and easy way for LDS laypeople everywhere to get released from their callings.
since I've been out for 20 years now (yet it seems like yesterday), I was reminded EVERY lesson that I was not to use any other material except the page and a half (half pages, so three-quarters of regular size) in the lesson manual. I had at least 30 minutes for the lesson. I only used Ensigns, but I was told I was not allowed to.
This is alarming because it makes TBMs not trust the essays even though they are based on fact AND on the official church website. No wonder none of the 15 put their names to the essays.
Just based on this one incident, if members understood the implications instead of blindly following along without a critical thought in their brains, they would realize that there really isn't any truth or freedom AT CHURCH.
No other place to discuss church doctrine, belief, or policy now.
Bottom line: Keep silent, keep your head down, and keep obeying or you'll lose. And the possibilities of loss can be eternal. Nice threatening church, this one.
So members cannot use the essays in lessons, only the boring repetitive dialogue from correlated materials.
No wonder church is so boring and is losing the youth and young adults.....as well as the long standing tithe payers.
The church is changing before our very eyes and it is in print.
"Eventually, their local LDS leaders agreed that Dawson's materials were legitimate but decided he shouldn't teach them anyway.
"It was too much for the kids, they argued, and church was not the right venue for the discussion."
Yes, heaven forbid that teenaged children should be taught material about church history from a church website in a church meeting.
"The essay noted the priesthood ban was rooted more in earthly racism during Young's era than heavenly revelation."
Unfortunately for the church, those racist doctrines are also included in canonized scripture---the Book of Abraham and the Book of Moses. And those racist doctrines were taught by Joseph Smith, and are still repeated in "Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith," which is published by the church:
"The power, glory and blessings of the Priesthood could not continue with those who received ordination only as their righteousness continued; for Cain also being authorized to offer sacrifice, but not offering it in righteousness, was cursed." ("Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith," p. 169.)
"I referred to the curse of Ham for laughing at Noah, while in his wine, but doing no harm. Noah was a righteous man, and yet he drank wine and became intoxicated; the Lord did not forsake him in consequence thereof, for he retained all the power of his Priesthood, and when he was accused by Canaan, he cursed him by the Priesthood which he held,...and the curse remains upon the posterity of Canaan until the present day." (ibid, pp. 193-194.)
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yeah i love how they call the racist stuff that i was taught in sacrament mtgs, primary classes, and yw classes while i was growing up "false doctrine."
Or THINK. (or even begin to think, or, what LDS calls question/ doubt).
It is NOT a place to worship nor a PLACE of WORSHIP.
Unless you worship man made authority, rules, superstitions, fears, guilt, faux salvation, impossible promises and endless mindtraps and pyramid structures.
There is no room on any bench in the Mormon Church for a free thinker, for a GoOD worshipper, a lover of people being real, and especially, with their church being real with them.
The moment you open your eyes someone will be looking to fire you.
It's better to quit something that doesn't work (and only wants you to work - and pay for it)
It seems obvious this family went to the media to tell their story. That will not go over well with the stake pres. and bishop. I get a feeling all hell is going to break loose over this. As well it should.
Well now we all know the truth about the essays. As usual what the church does and what the church says aren't matching up.
They didn't print those essays for the members to use! Silly mormons. They printed them to try and keep their ass out of multiple slings. They tried as hard as they could to keep those things on the down low and hush hush. Nobody was supposed to find those essays. If you did, you're not supposed to talk about them. May heaven help you if you use them to teach, especially to the kids. Kids have no business knowing the truth!
I hope this article goes viral and I also hope the mormon church has created themselves a big old hole that they don't have enough shovels to dig themselves out of. It disgusts me that they send young naive kids out to knock on doors of people who know way more about mormonism then they do. Sets those kids up for failure, depression, and psychological problems. Those old men don't care about that.
I'm thinking RFM is a real pain in the butt to the mormon church. We just won't shut up about those essays. Type in mormon essays, and you just might end up on mormonThink, RFM or many other sites that will tell you where to find the latest info the church has put out but doesn't want anyone to find.
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If pushed hard enough, the unholy fifteen are going to have to admit just what the hell the so-called "essays" really are and why they are on their official website unsigned.
The bastards are finally caught with their pants down and can't even claim "this isn't what it looks like"!
I was a gospel doctrine teacher for many many years. I was teaching when the introduction of the correlation committee teaching methodology replaced all individuality throughout the church auxiliary lesson manuals. The problem here, is that this teacher did not follow his manual. He may have been teaching from church sources, but that is no longer allowed, and hasn't been allowed for decades now.
In years gone by, teachers had to spend hours gathering information, and developing an interesting lesson. TSSC wants to control the information, or more so, the spin of the information so along came the correlation committee. The essays are starting to be used as reference information in teaching manuals, however, a teacher is only allowed to use the information as presented in the manual. The spin is carefully controlled.
I was once unceremoniously released for presenting information from Mormon Doctrine. A wannabe intellectual in the class didn't like it (for various reasons the book was controversial and I strayed from the lesson plan). This guy complained to the bishop and I was released that very day.
This guy knew he was asking for trouble from the get go. It is also evident that he was anxious to support TSCC's spin of their notorious racist history in order to shield his own children from the inherent racism in Mormonism.