Sister missionaries dropped by yesterday. Told them we resigned and never will join the church again. That didn't bother them.

We asked a few questions:

Baptisms? None
Seer stone? Knew nothing about it.

Then they asked if we would feed them dinner the following night. They kept talking about how they would settle for a PBnJ. They said that no one has signed up to feed them for the weekend and all next week.

I called their bishop. He said people take care of them.
NO THEY DON'T, YOU DUMB ASS!

Are these kids so desperate they have to come and visit the apostates or are they actually going without food (with their parents forking over $400 per month)?

Sorry to tell you but it is a new program to get inactives to feed the Missionaries. It has been going on for about 2 months in my ward.

But the OP and family aren't inactives, they resigned!

Could the bishop be telling the truth, and it's just a ruse by the sisters to get back in the door in order to ... preach?

What was your final word to the sisters, OP?

I think that someone sent them to our house because they had our names and phone number.

I told them that they are welcome to come to us for anything they need; but that we will NEVER rejoin a church that was founded by a pedophile who translated a book with a rock in his hat. They said they would come back, but left without a closing prayer or spiritual thought.

If they do indeed come back, I will bring up the CES letter and show them the side-by-side comparison of the BoM to The Late Great War Between The United States and Great Britain.

With the reduction in ages for missionaries, these kids are very ill-equiped to go toe-to-toe with anyone regarding the gospel. I am so sad for them.

The members are tithing, doing fast offerings, buying church magazines, buying the latest book from Tommy or some other GA...and the list goes on. Why pay to feed the missionaries when the non or ex-members will do it?

Hi, Red Bluff...

It is hard to believe that they would be placed in a situation where they---evidently---have virtually nothing to eat!

If true, this is abuse!!

I've had a moment to reflect on this (which you did not have) and I think, if this had happened to me, that I would take them to the supermarket and buy them a loaf of bread, a jar of peanut butter, a jar of jelly...some sliced cheese...a gallon or half-gallon of milk...some fruit (whatever was on sale because it is at the height of the growing season)...some out-of-hand vegetables (like celery, carrots, sweet red peppers, cucumbers, romaine)...and something frivolous, like a pint of ice cream in a flavor they both agreed on.

This way, they get some food that is at least relatively nutritious...you're not left with the feeling that you "should have done something" (which, in my opinion, is one of the most unpleasant feelings we can experience in life)...AND you don't have to listen to whatever it is that they planned to teach you!!! :D

I would also get across that I didn't want to be contacted by them again, and that I would not take it nicely if I was.

At least, this is what I THINK I would have done. ;)

EDITED TO ADD: While I was writing this, the other posts above came in. I did NOT know that this is a PROGRAM to reactivate inactives!!!

As Gilda Radner used to say...Never mind!!! ;) ;)



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I know my TBM neighbor and her husband just had mishies over for dinner a week or two ago. She's done it at least a couple of times in the last few months that I'm aware of because she has mentioned doing so in passing. As I say, though, they are TBM, not inactive.

If some of these poor kids are that hungry, shouldn't they tell whoever's in charge of their mission? Or would that get them in trouble for going over their food budget?

Send them over to my place. I'll throw some steaks on the grill, kick back and watch the Angels game and/or some pre-season NFL football, talk about anything BUT the church, and engage in some loud laughter. When it is time for them to go, we'll skip the "message"/prayer and instead stop off for a few scoops of ice cream and then run by the store to get them a couple bags of groceries before dropping them off.

I LOVE doing that with the missionaries. Can't think of a better way to set an example for them that a god/church is not necessary in order to provide service, be kind, thoughtful, charitable, loving, compassionate, understanding, etc. It is nice that I don't have to be a salesman to plant my seeds. I just have to be myself.

**Over the years the missionaries would stop by every now and then. Sometimes just for my standing offer of an opportunity to get out of the summer heat and suck down an ice cold bottled water. Some would make a special effort to come by to say goodbye before being transferred or leaving to go home. That was special to me. I have been told that because of the "good times" and no teaching done on their visits to my home, my house has been blacklisted in the mission. I haven't seen a pair of missionaries in around a year or so. Oh well. I suspect that one day an unsuspecting pair will knock on my door again.**

Mr. Happy...

You have a MUCH better response (and much improved tikkun olam*) than me!!! :)

You are a mensch!!!

:D


*tikkun olam: Hebrew for "repairing the world"

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> Mr. Happy...

> You are a mensch!!!

Tevai you are always a sweetheart. Nawwwww... I'm just a "good guy". I watch too much porn to reach mensch status. :P

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> Tevai you are always a sweetheart. Nawwwww... I'm
> just a "good guy". I watch too much porn to reach
> mensch status. :P


Au contraire, M. Happy...

...porn is virtually a requirement of being a mensch!!!

;)

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> Au contraire, M. Happy...porn is virtually a requirement of being a mensch!!!

> ;)

I'm good with that. With my "experience" I would be a Mega-Mensch!!

You are very kind. I hope your example helps wake some of them up. It might.

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> You are very kind. I hope your example helps wake some of them up. It might.

I think it does. At the very least they leave my place shaking their head and muttering "Flip, Brother Happy sure would make a great Bishop." LOL!!!

I received a call a couple of months ago and they wanted to assign me a day to feed the missionaries. That call now makes sense if they are trying to recruit inactives. I haven't been to TSCC in over 20 years. I've lived in this area over 10 years and haven't been to the "ward". I've kicked them off my doorstep a number of times and had words with them when they called. Do they really think I was going to take to being assigned to feed them? I guess they did. What idiots.

Do I feel bad for missionaries? I don't know. They are young and brain washed, but if they aren't being given enough money to feed themselves then they need to start contacting their family for money and causing a ruckus. It's sad that they put up with all that. They will continue to be abused by TSCC for the rest of their lives.



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Why my 'Ward Missionary' came and talked to me must have been a sign of pure desperation. It's been over a year since he has brought up a church subject.

He complained to me that the Stake had directed him to help assign the less actives to feed the missionaries ---- an effort to both feed the missionaries and get the less actives back to the fold.

Anyway he told me he went to the bishop and told him he was not comfortable doing what he was asked to do and wanted advice or help. The bishop told him 'you need to do what I do when I get directives I don't like ---- I ignore them'.

So not in my ex-ward are the less actives being asked/pressured to feed the missionaries.

Also, don't worry about the kids starving ---- they get so much money each month for food. Certainly enough for PJ sandwiches and milk.

Of course with my 'spiritual abilities' I told him how to really solve his problem with the church and its leaders. He went away giggling! I enjoy satisfied customers.

Maybe it's the cynic in me, or maybe it's my own missionary experiences coming to mind, but...

I wouldn't assume the "sisters" were being truthful about not having anything to eat, and nobody to feed them. That line could very well be a ruse to get you to invite them in and start talking with them -- which was the goal of the "have the inactives feed the missionaries" program in the first place.

I'd still feed the poor, dumb kids. Mission life sucks. But being me, I'd probably also try and see if I could get them to fess up about their story being a way to get in my door.

I think it's a mistake to engage with the missionaries once you have resigned from the church. It sets a bad precedent with regard to church contact. In effect, it gives the church permission to start pestering you again.

Missionaries should not be contacting you to be fed as if you were just another inactive. You are not inactive; you are no longer a member of their church! You wouldn't walk up to some stranger's door demanding to be fed, and neither should they. You no longer have a relationship with that church.

Right now, if the church started pestering you again, the members could innocently say, well, you invited the missionaries in and fed them, so you MUST want church contact. IMO it might give you less of a legal leg to stand on.

In your shoes, I would be teaching the missionaries what RESIGNED means by ignoring their efforts at contact.

In spite of knowing that many former members feel admiration or pity for missionaries. Some of them also feel they have something to prove to them.

...and I think the missionaries (and by extension the Mormon church) are totally on to that, Cheryl. Church authorities are using a natural desire to help the young missionaries to get a foot in the door once again.

Feed them, then bluetooth a pdf of the CES Letter to their phones.

Shame on their parents and home wards for putting them into this dire situation and not keeping track of them.

Wouldn't make me want to join such an organization.

That's EXACTLY what I was thinking, Cheryl! Why in the WORLD would I, or any self-respecting person, want to join, or belong to any organization who does not love or respect their children enough to properly feed and nourish them, causing, no FORCING them, door to door in a state of absolute beggary???

This has got to be ROCK bottom, even for the Mormon "church" which brags the name Jesus in their title. But maybe the purpose of this new low is two-fold. First, the possible reactivation of inactives through the shameless use of our human propensity for pity. And secondly, maybe this may be a new, fast track approach to creating a new generation of "church broke" tithe drones who no longer have enough self-respect to use their little remaining critical thinking skills to their own best advantage.

No matter what the justification, sending out tens of thousands young adults into the world to shill their garbage, ROCK bottom religion without sufficient funds to adequately sustain health and vigor is a DISGRACE! This story should be world wide news and the minds behind it jailed for criminal abuse, if not human rights violations.

I'm just grateful it's not legal to pour acid in the eyes of the children such as once common in India to make their beggars yet more pathetic, producing greater "donations" through the use of pity. Gladly the Mormon$ don't do that, but it surely is the first thing I mentally associate it with every time I hear of a young LD$ begging for food.

Definitely a sad, new low for the "Church" of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day "Saints."

Lets not forget if you are single the missionaries might not even be able to set foot in your house.

I tried to feed sister missionaries once. As a widower older than their ages combined, I still had to cart the food outdoors to the veranda., in October.

If I waited outside, they said they would do the dishes.

Usually the 'family' is paying to feed them and expecting they eat.

Absolutely, the church is taking the family's money, and doing other things with it.

The church, area 'authorities', MPs, SP, B, and a lot of times even the family itself, just has faith they will be fed, housed, taught (the truth), etc.

If it weren't for random members (the few that aren't too overwhelmed and tired of it all already), assorted "inactives", ex-mormons and non-mormons/ outsiders/ saints, these kids wouldn't have a prayer- to eat.

The church isn't taking care of them (as they launder money in so many ways) and they want to shift the burden, and blame the mishies if they complain.

This is undoubtedly, a good part of the reason over 200 missionaries a day leave the mission 'early'.

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> Absolutely, the church is taking the family's money, and doing other things with it.

What in the world are you talking about? When my son was on his mission I thought $400 per month was a bargain.

> This is undoubtedly, a good part of the reason over 200 missionaries a day leave the mission 'early'.

I highly doubt 200 missionaries per day are walking off of their missions early. But if you have a source I would CERTAINLY like to see it.

We should feed them and encourage them to call their parents.