Our porn obsessed bishop announced in our 5th sunday adult meeting that in all future interviews he would be not be asking if you have ever used pornography but "when was the last time you looked at pornography?" it reminds me of the classic "how often do you beat your wife?". He proceeded to tell a story of a boy in high school who saw a pinup of a naked woman on the inside of the locker next to his and it scarred him for life.
This latest crusade for moral perfection seems to get more draconian every year. Everyone is a pervert who needs to have in depth interviews and counseling with the bishop to become "worthy", whatever that means. Maybe we should pass out depo provera and prolactin to all the males and solve the "problem" once and for all.

The return question(s) for the bishop - without answering his question - is:

"When was the last time you masturbated? Who did you think of when you did it? Please, tell me all the details."

"He proceeded to tell a story of a boy in high school who saw a pinup of a naked woman on the inside of the locker next to his and it scarred him for life."

Could the bishop come up with a more stupid story? I hope that high schooler didn't study to be a doctor or any other profession where you have to study the human body or deal with naked people.

"Methinks the lady doth protest too much." Is he looking to lay blame or allay his own guilt? Would give a nickel to see what's on his computer(s).

Oh, and the idea of a teenager today scarred for life by the photo he describes is utterly ridiculous. How did people listening keep a straight face?

Not at a Mormon service but at a conservative bible church I watched a grown man with TWELVE children have a half hour sob fest in front of the congregation because when he was 11 he found his grandaddy's box of Playboys in the attic. "I've layered bible verse upon bible verse in my mind and I still cannot purge those terrible images..." I bout peed my pants trying to not laugh.

I think it is time to tell the bishop that he may no longer meet with any of your children, if you have any, for any purpose. I would add that if he ever asks a question about pornography in any interview with you, you will get up and walk out. As a bishop, none of his questions should go beyond the specific items and formulations in the standard temple recommend protocols.

More generally, it may be time for him to seek professional counseling since his obsession--going beyond what the church authorizes as well as violating social standards for acceptable discourse--is clearly pathological. Such a man should not be allowed near children, adolescents, or people of the opposite gender. I believe that it would be entirely appropriate to say that to him.

I am not sure he ought to be with people of the same gender either.

Or with the same species.

Or pets, or fish.

+1

I absolutely agree with Lot's Wife.

I absolutely agree with Lot's Wife and would suggest you (1) refuse any interview with that bishop for you and especially your children and (2) report him to the appropriate authorities (police or social worker or child protection) as a possible 'sexual deviant' asking inappropriate questions for presumably his own gratification.

If you are worried this may mean you cannot get a temple recommend, why would you want one? To perform some ripped off and amended Masonic rituals?

Show the bishop he has no authority over you and his questioning is inappropriate.

By the way, are you able to ask him when was the last time he looked at porn?

I have listened to confessions from bishops, stake presidents and a temple president that are far worse (in the eyes of TSCC) than looking at pornography.

I don't think that at the church level the bishop has the privilege of asking these questions. Due to my cynicism, I might believe that his stake president would still back him up on it should anyone complain.

Is this for the temple recommend? He is definitely not allowed to ask that as some sort of supplementary question because the church is very clear on that. The questions are available on-line, and you could just take them in and make sure he's following them.

I suggest you have your phone out during the next interview and when the bishop asks the question you can just hand him the phone, watch his face go ashen, and then say, "I guess we both know the last time YOU looked at porn, eh Bish?"

"I hope you're not scarred for life now..."

The gutsy move would be to pull a piece of porn from your pocket and show it to the bish. Ask: Is this what you mean?

Scar HIM for life. ;)



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Do you suppose he was the boy scarred for life?

looks like the Morg is getting more & more desperate to rein in control of people, thru fear/intimidation about the most trivial, mis-interpreted matters.

What About Honesty & Kindness? Where are Those today?
Instead of teaching Obedience for 'family relations' class (do they still have that?) ... How about teaching how to communicate effectively, meet everyday challenges?

LDS: Off the Mark, Off the Track.

Was that the Paul H. Dunn story where he had a locker next to Hitler in high school, and Hitler had a naked lady picture, and Pasul H. Dunn was so scarred by seeing it that he took down the nzai regime single-handedly so that no one else would have to see a naked lady picture?

I thought so.

Ha!

Did you know Hitler had sex without touching Ava Braun?

Perhaps this is what the LDS Church is seeking after now?!!

Is he really going to say this to every adult in the ward? If he said that to my wife I'd verbally kick his ass.

This is moving in the wrong direction for LDS leaders...

The question used to be "are you morally clean?" Yes or No answer. End of it.

This Bishop is wrong morally, ethically and spiritually.

Porn is so mainstream now that this tactic will backfire.

What the bishop considers discernment is actually divisive bullying.

I love to have conversations with people like this. No mercy would be shown, and I would directly accuse him of having the blood of suicide victims on his hands.



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Anybody ever realized that everyone of us have been trapped in the body of a woman?

...........Then our Mothers gave us birth.

If you talk about porn, then you are thinking about porn. Making that statement in class means he has been thinking about it ( porn ) for a while.

He is the one with the porn problem!

All you have to do is say:

Bishop, I'm here for this interview. I am recording it. Whatever you say will be my property and you give me the right to use it as I may see fit without any repercussions. I may even put it up on YouTube for all the world to hear.

Now, let's proceed.

If he doesn't give consent . . . well then . . . the interview's over.

jiminycricket Wrote:
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> All you have to do is say:
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> Bishop, I'm here for this interview. I am
> recording it. Whatever you say will be my property
> and you give me the right to use it as I may see
> fit without any repercussions. I may even put it
> up on YouTube for all the world to hear.
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> Now, let's proceed.
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> If he doesn't give consent . . . well then . . .
> the interview's over.

This is how change will happen. It should also happen during the interviewing of children, the treatment of their "volunteer" missionary force, the forced "volunteering" of meeting house janitors, and the shakedown of the elderly for their estates.

Wow. It's reports like this that makes me want to return to church. Seriously.

I certainly haven't changed my mind about the church, but my kids are still being dragged there by their TBM dad. I feel like I need to go just so I know who and what to protect them from and to correct all the misinformation they're most likely learning.

Reminds me of the movie "What About Bob". Bob (Bill Murray) was in the mental hospital and telling the staff the joke about the therapist asking the patient what the ink blots mean.

The therapist shows the first ink blot and asks what it means and the patient says "sex".

Shows the second ink blot and the patient again says "sex".

Same results the third time.

The therapist says, "your problem is you think of sex all the time".

And the patient says, "well you're the one showing me the dirty pictures"

I know it happens with church leaders. I was in a regional leadership meeting when M. Russell Ballard told us (bishops, stake presidencies) that we needed to stop looking at pornography. Hmm....

Guess they don't know females can view porn and masturbate too. So are the RS presidents going to do those interviews? Geeesh.

last time bish?

by accident when I was 21, on my LDScorp approved 2 year mission to Russia.
Have you been to Eastern Europe, the pr0n is EVERYWHERE...

scarred for life indeed

morons

I expect the women are eating this stuff up. Because they want monopoly control over their man's sexuality, they expect the bishop to police this stuff, and many will report their guy to him for disciplinary action.

Here's an article from Mormon Women, "When a Husband Has a Pornography Addiction".


http://mormonwoman.org/2012/03/03/when-a-husband-has-a-pornography-addiction/

Probably time for guys to write about their wives shopping or eating or romance novel addictions and what to do about them.

Boy, talk about blowing things out of proportion. Women think a guy looking at porn is the end of the world. Read some of these stories. One more reason guys are ditching the church more than women. The church exists to control men.



http://mormonwoman.org/2011/01/30/pornography-addiction-personal-stories-index/

"His first words were, “My problems all started with pornography.” My stomach went into an upheaval. I felt like I needed to run to the bathroom and throw up, but I couldn’t really move. I felt like I was having an out of body experience. He was very sad and apologetic. He told me he had an upcoming church court; that’s what the meeting with the bishop had been about. I was heartbroken and didn’t really know how to react."