Recovery Board
: RfM
Recovery from Mormonism (RfM) discussion forum.
"He that is not with me is against me", (per Jesus, Matt.12:30)
pollythinks Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> "He that is not with me is against me", (per
> Jesus, Matt.12:30)
Luke chapter 9 presents an entirely
different tenet.
Then again, I'm not convinced that either
set of quotations originated with a Palestinian
2000 years ago named Jesus.
Interesting experiment -- ask your respective
Bishop, pastor, minister, elder, evangelist,
etc. whether or not Mat. 12 trumps Luke 9...
-------------------------------------------------------
> "He that is not with me is against me", (per
> Jesus, Matt.12:30)
Luke chapter 9 presents an entirely
different tenet.
Then again, I'm not convinced that either
set of quotations originated with a Palestinian
2000 years ago named Jesus.
Interesting experiment -- ask your respective
Bishop, pastor, minister, elder, evangelist,
etc. whether or not Mat. 12 trumps Luke 9...
pollythinks Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> "He that is not with me is against me", (per
> Jesus, Matt.12:30)
False dichotomy fallacy, per everyone who studies logic from Aristotle on down.
Oops.
-------------------------------------------------------
> "He that is not with me is against me", (per
> Jesus, Matt.12:30)
False dichotomy fallacy, per everyone who studies logic from Aristotle on down.
Oops.
ificouldhietokolob Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> pollythinks Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > "He that is not with me is against me", (per
> > Jesus, Matt.12:30)
>
> False dichotomy fallacy, per everyone who studies
> logic from Aristotle on down.
>
> Oops.
Suppose I were in a small boat with a dozen
other people -- desperately trying to reach
a nearby shore, before the badly leaking
boat sank.
The wind will push us into shallow water in
an hour, but, unless all the passengers bail
out much of the intruding sea within half an
hour, we all will drown.
One passenger is very old, and can barely do
anything. Two others are young kids, too afraid
to do anything useful.
All the rest of them make their best effort,
except for one guy who refuses to help at all.
The old guy and the two kids I can excuse. They
may not be "with me;" but they are really not
"against me," either.
The contrary fellow, who refuses to help at all
may be "against me;" but he is also "against"
saving the lives of the other passengers. And,
if his life means anything at all -- he is also
"against himself."
Existence on this planet is messy and often
complex. I try to remember that, when faced
with seeming binary choices.
-------------------------------------------------------
> pollythinks Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > "He that is not with me is against me", (per
> > Jesus, Matt.12:30)
>
> False dichotomy fallacy, per everyone who studies
> logic from Aristotle on down.
>
> Oops.
Suppose I were in a small boat with a dozen
other people -- desperately trying to reach
a nearby shore, before the badly leaking
boat sank.
The wind will push us into shallow water in
an hour, but, unless all the passengers bail
out much of the intruding sea within half an
hour, we all will drown.
One passenger is very old, and can barely do
anything. Two others are young kids, too afraid
to do anything useful.
All the rest of them make their best effort,
except for one guy who refuses to help at all.
The old guy and the two kids I can excuse. They
may not be "with me;" but they are really not
"against me," either.
The contrary fellow, who refuses to help at all
may be "against me;" but he is also "against"
saving the lives of the other passengers. And,
if his life means anything at all -- he is also
"against himself."
Existence on this planet is messy and often
complex. I try to remember that, when faced
with seeming binary choices.
He that is not with me is somewhere else. (Matthew 28:21)
I'm over here.
Don't include images of a fully erect, sexually aroused pagan, Egyptian fertility God, in your scriptures and claim it
"Represents God" (as do Mormons in Figure 7, Fax 2, BoA).
Other than that, if you identify as Christian, you are a Christian.
If Bruce/Caitlin Jenner can ID as a female, when she has a dick, why can't anybidy claim they are whatever religion yhey wsnt?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/01/2015 12:25AM by koriwhore.
"Represents God" (as do Mormons in Figure 7, Fax 2, BoA).
Other than that, if you identify as Christian, you are a Christian.
If Bruce/Caitlin Jenner can ID as a female, when she has a dick, why can't anybidy claim they are whatever religion yhey wsnt?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/01/2015 12:25AM by koriwhore.
The minimum core belief would in fact be..... believing that one is Christian.