So today I heard one of my TBM friends talk about the BoM names found in the middle east area. I read the article but am not sure about the authenticity of the story. But I was curios to see what everybody thought about the article. If you want to read it the link is http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705384486/Nephite-names-find-a-home-in-Middle-East.html

I read the linked article. Not much of substance, just vague similarities among names. The examples given do not rule out the possibility that Smith simply used familiar Biblical names and made small modifications: Laban (biblical) > Laman (BoM), Sarah (biblical) > Sariah (BoM).

The attempt to explain why the BoM contains almost NO names of women is ridiculous on its face (Middle Eastern societies were patriarchal): the Bible, especially the Old Testament, contains a great many names of females.

Michael Ash wrote the article. His writings are generally so ridiculous that I wouldn't have bothered reading the entire article had I noticed it at the beginning.

For an example of what can be done with name similarities, see the article "Lehi In The Pacific" by L. Dwayne Samuelson at http://packham.n4m.org/pacific.htm

Ugh, the old Texas sharpshooter fallacy, i.e. "Sam is a perfectly good Egyptian name."

So, Lehi, a religious Jew, names his kid Sam.

Would a religious Jew these days name his Mohammed, or Hercules, or Robert, or Antonio?

"So, Lehi, a religious Jew, names his kid Sam.

"Would a religious Jew these days name his Mohammed, or Hercules, or Robert, or Antonio?"

Well, if those were Lehi's kids, he'd call them Mo, Herc, Bob, and Tony. :-)

The Book of Lehi:

"So, me and my boys Mo, Herc, Bob and Tony--we goes down to, you know, "pay a visit" to this clown Laban...yeah, *that* Laban, the mook what goes goes around braggin' on his 'treasury'. So we say "Hey, Laban, what say you give us those fancy brass plates that have a record of our, uhhhh, 'transactions', yeah.... 'transactions'...that's it." You hand over those real friendly like, and we won't whack you, capisce? And you know what this joker says? He says...the guy says (now pardon my french), the guy says: "Fuck you!" Now that is very, how shall I say, unwelcoming...so, you know, business being business--we whack the guy. Tony takes his head clean off. It was comical really. Funny, ya know? And then, to top it off, Bob, you know Bob, the adopted kid from Jersey (he's the real funny one), he says, he says "Leave the head, take the cannoli"! Ah, what a night, huh!?"

And uh, where was the peepstone found exactly?

Under the Urim and Thumbbin?

Or a figament of Joey's furtive imagination?

Sandra Tanner came up with these possible explanations:

"Possible Sources for Book of Mormon Names

By Sandra Tanner

The Book of Mormon contains over 300 proper names. Many LDS assume that this is evidence that Joseph Smith could not have made up the Book of Mormon. However, when we examine the list of names at the end of the Book of Mormon we notice that 141 of the names are taken from the Bible. For example, the Book of Mormon has Abraham, Ammon, Bethabara, Esrom, Ether, Gomorrah, Ishmael, Jared, Jonas, Judea, Lemuel, Madmenah, Nazareth, Pathros, Pekah, Rama, Shinar, Sinim and Zebulun. The Book of Mormon also uses the Greek words Alpha and Omega.

Many names not found in the Bible seem to be made up by re-arranging various syllables or changing the ending of Bible names. For example, the Bible speaks of Abinadab, the Book of Mormon mentions Abinadi and Abinadom.. Smith's book also uses the Biblical Aminadab and a modified Aminodi. The Bible mentions Kish, the Book of Mormon has Akish and Kishcumen. The Bible has Gimzo, the Book of Mormon speaks of Gimgimno. Besides using the Biblical name Helam, Smith's book expands it to Helaman. The Book of Mormon uses the Biblical name of Antipas and builds on it to form these Book of Mormon names: Anti-Nephi-Lehi, Antiomno, Antion, Antionah, Antionum, Antiparah and Antipus. Some seem to be simply different spellings. Melech in the Bible becomes Melek in the Book of Mormon.

More names are created by adding such endings as "hah." The Book of Mormon has the names Nephi and Nephihah; Moroni and Moronihah; Ammon and Ammonihah; Mathoni and Mathonihah. Some names seem to be just extensions of the same Book of Mormon word. For example, Antion seems to be the base for Antionah, Antionum and Antiomno. Book of Mormon Shim is expanded to Shimnilon. Corianton is slightly changed to make the additional names of Coriantor, Coriantum and Coriantumr. Smith's book uses the Biblical word Gideon and shortens it to Gid, then expands it to Giddianhi, Giddonah, Gidgiddonah and Gidgiddoni. Riplah seems to be the base for Riplakish and Ripliancum.

Here are a few Book of Mormon names and possible sources:

Cumorah and Moroni are probably from the Comoro Islands, where the capital is Moroni, off the coast of E. Africa. See any atlas. Another possiblity for Cumorah would be the Biblical name Gomorrah.

Lehi is from the Old Testament, Judges 15:9,14 and 19.

Nephi is from the King James Version of the Apocrypha, II Maccabees 1:36.

Enos is taken from Genesis 4:26.

Zenos was in use prior to the Book of Mormon as a person's name. Zenos Riggs is listed in the 1873 Hanover, New Jersey census. Zenos Gurley, Sr., was born in 1801 at Bridgewater, New York, and later joined Mormonism. There is also Zenas in the New Testament, Titus 3:13.

The words "mormo" and "Mormon" are found in Webster's New Twentieth Century Dictionary, 1974, p. 1169:

mormo, n. a bugbear; false terror. [Obs.]
Mormon, n. [Gr. mormon, a bugbear.]

the puffins, a genus of sea birds characterized by a short, thick beak.
[m-] the mandrill
The designation of "Mormon" for the puffin and mandrill seems to stem from their markings that give the appearance of having on a mask (white circles around the eyes).

See National Audubon Society, Mormon Puffin—"

http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/bomnames.htm

One interesting (to me, anyway) name in your list, "Antipas" is a Greek name. Probably used, according to what I have found so far, in the Jewish world only after Greek influence extended to that area. That was almost 300 years after Lehi and Nephi left the Jewish world.

It almost appears that there might be a flaw in the Book of Mormon!

Hmmm, wonder if that could be any others.... :)

I'm still looking. I'm sure that I will find a satisfactory explanation.

You have to ask the question. Are ANY of these names NOT in the Bible, or in the 6 plus books used to create the Book of Mormon?
Same goes for the "How could Joseph smith know this" question. Look at the books that were used to create the Book of Mormon. 75% is from other books, the bible, or events and knowledge of that time.

Book of Mormon names I'd like to see:

Toob

Poot

Smegma

Splooge

Boing

Rosario Dawson

Popcorn

Chevrolet

James Brown

Chewbacca

Tweet

ziller

Tupperware

Donald

(The above are, obviously, Lamanites. Be nice, or I'll start in on place names.)

And Chewbacca said unto Zillwe, rrrraaaweeeerr, rawerrrrrrrr.

Much more interesting. Maybe I would have finished the 'chloroform in print.'

In the name of Han, even the Solo

Allie Wrote:
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> And Chewbacca said unto Zillwe, rrrraaaweeeerr!
>
> Much more interesting. Maybe I would have finished
> the 'Chloroform Collection.'

Or lovely names like... Billy Pilgrim, Montana Wildhack, Lando Calrissian, Han Solo, Ellen Ripley... anything redolent of epic adventure!

Instead, our flim-flam publishers of the BoM fake history larded their stuff with character names like Sam and Ether.

... leaving the reader anesthetized.

The Book Of Looney

Abridged by Mormon from writings on strips of birch bark which gives the history of those people already in the Americas when Lehi arrived who were otherwise completely ignored.

CHAPTER I

1. I, Poot, having been born of loser parents, was nonetheless adopted by Splooge and his wives Toob and Boing.

2. And having been raised after the manner of my father, I did commence to search for buried treasure by putting a piece of gravel into my turban.

3. And it came to pass that one day my father did come home and did say "the sheriff, even Donald, is wroth with us, and doth say that we are no-good vagrants. Therefore, we must flee from the city else Donald should persecute us."

4. Therefore, it did come to pass that I, my father Splooge, my mothers Toob and Boing, and my brother Chevrolet didst flee into the wilderness.

5. And it came to pass that we didst travel in the wilderness for five days, and my father dwelt in a tent (the rest of us stayed at Motel 6).

6. And my father Splooge didst say that I must return to the city to obtain the record of Popcorn which was stored in a box in the possession of a man named Ziller.

7. After I had returned to the city, I went to the house of Ziller, which was in the street by the palace of Chewbacca the merchant.

8. And I didst ask Ziller for the Popcorn box.

9. And Ziller spake saying: "You may not have the Popcorn box, for it is desirable in my sight".

10. And it came to pass as I left the house of Ziller, an angel of the Lord appeared unto me and spake saying:

11. I am the angel James Brown, the hardest working angel in celestial show business. Nevertheless, you must kill Ziller for it is better that one man perish than an entire continent not know of Popcorn.

12. Then the angel James Brown did depart from my presence and ascend into heaven singing "I Feel Good".

13. Now, I, Poot, being a clever fellow, then devised a plan to obtain the record of Popcorn from Ziller without killing him despite the command of the angel James Brown.

14. And I, Poot, did start an internet thread about boobies.

15. And it came to pass that Ziller did fall for my craftiness, indeed, he was ~in on porn thread, and I was able to obtain the Popcorn box without further trouble.

16. And I did depart from the city to return to my father, but along the way I met a woman called Rosario Dawson.

17. And the woman asked me where I was going, and I replied that I was going to my father's tent with the Popcorn box. And the woman didst say unto me "take me with you, and I shall go wherever thou goest".

18. So the woman Rosario Dawson and I returned to my father Splooge, and to my mothers Toob and Boing, and to my brother Chevrolet with the Popcorn box.

19. And it came to pass that we did travel many many more days in the wilderness until we came to the land of Nads.

20. And there dwelt in the land of Nads a man named Smegma who did tell us of a land beyond the ice.

21. And my father Splooge did decide that we should travel to the land beyond the ice. So he did obtain a chariot from the man Smegma to carry our belongings on the journey.

22.And likewise did he obtain two cureloms to pull the chariot. and the cureloms were named Tweet and Tupperware.

23. And thus it was that we commenced our journey to the far off land.

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And it came to pass that Margaret led her family out into the darkness,
And it came to pass that Sean followed her, for his heart was heavy and she spake unto him
I have suffered through thy porn addiction and thy heart's adultery, I shall no longer suffer through thy drought of gold. I will take thy seed with me to my mother's door. See you in court, loser.



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It says, "As for Nephi's older and often rebellious brothers Laman and Lemuel, we find that the personal name "Lemuel" is mentioned in the Bible, but "Laman" is not. Dr. Hugh Nibley noted many years ago that these names are not only Arabic "but they also form a genuine 'pair of pendant names,' such as ancient Semites of the desert were wont to give their two eldest sons" (An Approach to the Book of Mormon, 232)."

My Arabic is pretty rusty (my Hebrew is better), but I can't figure out what "Laman" would be as a name. Semitic names aren't just letters thrown together willy-nilly. They generally come from roots that actually mean something. For example, there is the root h-m-d, which forms words in both Arabic and Hebrew, which means "praise." From this, we can get names like Muhammad, Mahmud, Ahmed, Hamed, etc.

Lemuel has "el" at the end, meaning God (which appears at the end of lots of Hebrew names), and the Lemu is a preposition meaning to or towards, so the name combines to mean "to God," or "belonging to God."

Laman doesn't mean anything. There is no meaningful root l-m-n in Hebrew or Arabic. The closest root is the "lemu" preposition above, but you wouldn't just throw an "n" on the end and call it a name.

As for the whole "pendant names" bit, sure, the two go together. But it doesn't change the fact that one of them isn't a name. It'd be like if I named my oldest son Matthew and then my next son Shmatthew.

I guess it's within the realm of possibility that there was a real Laman and Lemuel, but I don't think you can corroborate it simply by looking at Semitic languages.