According to science, the universe (as we know it) came into existence approximately 15 billion years ago. The earth formed approximately 5 billion years ago. Some religious folks who believe science (when it suits them) have argued that God is the explanation and creator of the Big Bang. Modern man (our species) has existed approximately for the past 100-200 thousand years. Did our spirits need 15 billion years to prepare for our earthly sojourn?

According to Mormon doctrine we existed as spirit children prior to the creation of the heavens and the earth. What has he/she and us been doing the past 15 billion years, minus the past 100-200 thousand years? It only took 5-7 years for most of to learn to read and write. If our bodies were so important why don't we all look like Mel Gibson and Racquel Welch? ( or whoever you please)

Modern man couldn't read or write for several thousand years, and there were no written texts of any kind. Were they sent to earth to develop faith as expressed in Mormon doctrine?

As attractive as eternal progression might sound, and as depressing as eternal oblivion might sound, don't some of these doctrines defy logic and seem outright silly?

Simple explanation: we got stuck with a lame God.

Unlike other universes whose Gods were, like the valedictorian and star quarterback at God High School, our God is a slacker. Instead of studying hard and doing push-ups and eating fresh fruits and vegetables, our God stayed up playing PlayStation and eating pizza.

This explains why He did such a half-assed job at Creation. All the delays, mistakes, wrong turns, contradictions, missed opportunities etc. Even a God with, say, a B+ average wouldn't have f----- things up nearly as much as our God did.

I mean, seriously: a Universe where millions of babies die every year of starvation, malaria, and diarrhea-induced dehydration?

God's a loser.

Get Busy: You might be right. This may have been our God's first world or universe he/she created.

Why do we always assume that God doesn't make mistakes? Would it be reasonable to expect a perfect earth or people the first try?

Don't we teach that God was once like us? (scary thought) And ultimately progressed to Godhood?

If God wasn't perfect after his/her mortal existence, how many million or billions of years did it take in God school to learn how to create an earth?

getbusylivin, are you saying that we got the Napoleon Dynamite of gods?


Gawwhhhhh!!!


I wonder what Pedro's planet is like.

Currently some scientists are postulating whether there are multi-verses? Our universe may be one of many. As old as it is (as time itself,) is it the only one?

The same science that wonders if we're part of a giant matrix system, have also hypothesized we have identical twins in parallel universes ie, clones of ourselves, living similar or dissimilar lives.

Resting.

Look at how long those first six days were: it really took billions of years for Him to create the heavens, earth and all the bio-crap that infests them.

Give the Guy a break. He deserves a few billion more to rest after all that work. Plus I think he's been binge-watching Netflix, like *all* of it.

He's been looking for his lost keys.
I mean, without a "god" of his own to pray to, to help him find them, they've been eternally lost.

And yes, before you ask, he looked under Jupiter. Not there either.

The search continues. Meanwhile, the universe goes on without him...

"...he looked under Jupiter"

LOL!!!

I could have said Uranus...:)

"Instead of introducing this fictitious variable — time, which itself is not observable — we should just describe how the variables are related to one another."

- Carlo Rovelli
(http://discovermagazine.com/2007/jun/in-no-time)

To paraphrase ificouldhietokolob:

"When somebody can show some evidence of this supposed "time," it'll be worth looking into."

MarkJ Wrote:
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> "Instead of introducing this fictitious variable
> — time, which itself is not observable — we
> should just describe how the variables are related
> to one another."
>
> - Carlo Rovelli
> (http://discovermagazine.com/2007/jun/in-no-time)

"In his 2004 book Quantum Gravity, Rovelli developed a formulation of classical and quantum mechanics that does not make explicit reference to the notion of time. The timeless formalism is needed to describe the world in the regimes where the quantum properties of the gravitational field cannot be disregarded. This is because the quantum fluctuation of spacetime itself make the notion of time unsuitable for writing physical laws in the conventional form of evolution laws in time.

This position has led him to face the following problem: if time is not part of the fundamental theory of the world, then how does time emerge? In 1993, in collaboration with Alain Connes, Rovelli has proposed a solution to this problem called the thermal time hypothesis. According to this hypothesis, time emerges only in a thermodynamic or statistical context. If this is correct, the flow of time is an illusion, one deriving from the incompleteness of knowledge."

Notice that Rovelli has not produced any evidence for his hypothesis, and that (if you do some research) you'll find a number of other physicists have pointed out the flaws in his mathematics that led him to it.

> To paraphrase ificouldhietokolob:
>
> "When somebody can show some evidence of this
> supposed "time," it'll be worth looking into."

You should have thought of that before quoting Rovelli as if he had stated some kind of 'fact.' Which, of course, he hasn't.
So...when Rovelli can show some evidence for his hypothesis of time, it'll be worth looking into. That hasn't occurred yet.

Oops.

He can be such a dick when He wants to. I know for a fact that He'd shave, if He could, but there are no razor blades around that will do the trick. As I understand, the thing that really keeps Him pissed off are the rayon robes He's forced to wear. We know from the temple movie that His rayon robes go zing-zing-zing when He walks, but what the temple movie doesn't teach us is that the robes also chafe His thighs, and there is no earthly steroid cream strong enough for His chafed areas. So He tries to sit still on His throne and not idly twist at His beard. He tries to keep His walking down to a minimum, and asks Himself what he ever did to get Himself into this eternal fate. "Oh, right," he's forced to admit, "This is what living perfectly does. Medammit!" He scowls again and balls His fist. Veins in His neck swell with spirit blood. Somewhere--probably in China or Iran--an earthquake happens.

Just have to look around the Cosmos to see he's been very, very busy!

The Universe is expanding, not contracting.

There's a perfect order to space, matter, and energy. With precision engineering. Not an accident or random act of nature, I believe.



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It's like this.

For an infinite amount of time God sat alone in the dark.

Then he created Heaven and Earth (Genesis 1:1)

Then he created light (Genesis 1:3)

So, God created the entire universe in the dark. Impressive!

Cludgie's views brightened my rain-dreary-day today. God's robes that go zing-zing-zing chaffing his thighs certainly made it clear to me how come God gets sooooooooooo irritable and seemingly takes it out on us mere lowly humans in so many mean and deadly ways.

Wish God would find some spirit cream to fix the problem as the world lately seems to be going to Hell In Lots of Handbaskets.
Some days I can't even find solace in chocolate.