So found out a 27-year old hooker who was operating out of a hotel from St George and online hookup "come and get it" services.

If not for those keen St George undercover police officers she might've made out like a bandit. Alas, it was not to be.

"[Her] ad was located on a site which is commonly used to solicit sexual services,” court documents state.

A police investigator, acting as a potential client, reached out to Wilson via the contact info on the ad and was allegedly able to negotiate sex acts for money over the phone. The caller also arranged for Wilson to go to his hotel. Police said they watched Wilson leave her hotel to go to the agreed meeting place.

Wilson was later placed into handcuffs. After being read her Miranda rights, Wilson allegedly admitted to being the individual who police were talking to on the phone.

“She told me she was going to the hotel room with the intention of providing Erotic Massage services with a ‘happy ending,’” according to the court records.

Police stated they believed the “happy ending” was in reference to specific sexual acts.

Wilson had condoms in her possession and allegedly told the officer she used them for the “happy endings.”

It wasn't her happy ending however !

Busted again. Kind of feel bad for her that she doesn't have any legit job skills except to be jail bait.

They might make a Mormon out of her this time while she's sitting in Purgatory?

http://www.stgeorgeutah.com/news/archive/2017/07/18/tds-las-vegas-woman-charged-with-prostitution-in-washington-county/#.WW51eYTyupo



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Sex is always for sale, in every state. It is called marriage.

Hell no. Men hire prostitutes whether they're married or not.

Here's a recent news story that may surprise you.

http://www.unitednews.org/lexington-sc-man-horrified-booking-prostitute-wife-arrived/

If you like pina coladas.......

Her husband only thought he was getting a 28 year old lolol.

Funny thing was he liked her picture from the neck down. :)

That ought to be an interesting case in divorce court.

Either all women are prostitutes or no such thing exists. An hour for a negotiated price versus a lifetime in exchange for at least half of all you ever acquire.........

smirkorama Wrote:
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> Sex is always for sale, in every state. It is
> called marriage.

High 5, Smirk!!

A hooker too far.

Why does the woman always have to be a victim and not the guy? Do you believe that women are inherently weak and stupid?

I don't.

to escape their abuser and wind up on the streets where they become easy prey for pimps and human traffickers. Forget "Diary Of A Call Girl." The reality is quite diferent.

Amyjo Wrote:
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> Police stated they believed the “happy ending”
> was in reference to specific sexual acts.

Actually, it was a reference to her making balloon animals using the condoms. That makes everybody happy!

:)

That makes this thread PG-13.

Can someone explain what she was so wrong with what she was doing? The real crimes here are the trafficking and slavery. What she was doing might be revolting to certain people but is it wrong?

It is illegal in a majority of states. Whether you believe it moral or not, the law does not favor prostitution in the United States.

That is obvious, but being a law doesn't make it right. Unless you liked the Jim Crow laws etc that we've had.

The role of government is supposed to be to protect our rights. If two consenting adults agree to something, there shouldn't be a problem.

The real issue is that prostitution threatens the monopoly that other women have over their man's sexuality. They don't want competition. If you have competition, you would have to work harder to please someone, like businesses do.

Corporations also use government to try to eliminate their competition, with regulations and such the little guy can't handle.

Reminds me of the women near here that went to the city council to protest the espresso stands with scantily clad ladies. Said they would hurt the children. Yeah, right.

"She probably would like to have a real job and a legal one. She just doesn't know a way out of the rut she's made for herself. Sad.

She's young enough to reform and clean up her act. I hope she's able to.

Unless she doesn't care. I met a Mormon girl once on the East Coast from Utah who was a nymphomaniac. She would sleep with any guy anywhere, since she was a teenager. I asked her how could she be at peace with her conscience, and she told me she killed her conscience a long time ago.

Maybe that's what it takes to be a career professional as a prostitute."


Why is it assumed prostitutes are low class and don't have a real job? Apparently if you enjoy sex and want to please others with that, it is bad?

The only reason they are ashamed of their work is because we shame them. Again, people don't want their competition, so we make sex to be generally dirty and bad.

I read of a lady journalist who did a story on the brothels in Nevada and decided she wanted to do it - made good money. They have lower STD rates than the general population.

Most things that are illegals become unsavory.

BTW, there are people in other professions without a conscience. Most people do jobs they hate or know they're ripping others off, or like my relatives in government jobs, they know their job is useless. Pay well though, just like prostitution. Amazing how you can bury your conscience when you're making good money.

Then I've got relatives that work in sewer and septic businesses. A lot of stories of being blasted with feces. I suppose they should want a real job, right? Why degrade themselves? Must have no conscience or must think poorly of themselves?

Just a shout out for reality, Free Man.

Does it escape you that throughout history, anywhere, any time, the vast bulk of lawmakers have been and remain male?

In places where more women are a part of government, sexual laws are not so strict. Look at the Middle East for an extreme male-controlled society.

What do you think this plain, undeniable view does to the idea that it is women who hold the power over men? In the same post you admit that the powerful enforce the control they want - big business vs. little guy. Wouldn't you call a prostitute the ultimate "little guy?"

Just curious how you exclude female sole proprieters (prostitutes) from your big business scenario?

It seems to me that any "monopoly" begins and ends with the lawmakers.

Soft power and hard power are two different things. If you don't think soft power is more powerful than nuclear weapons, go observe the interactions in a strip club.

It's not prostitution, it's short-term celestial marriage.

If I were this woman, I'd tell the cops:

"I can't wait to get into court, where I can testify about all the stake presidents, bishops, and high priests who've used my services."

Charges would be dropped the same day :)

Maybe St. G can implement a buffer zone ordinance, say, prostitution legal every other day + weekends, holidays.

All in agreement, raise your Right Arms to the square...

If only she'd married a polygamist man, the police would leave her alone.

It's curious why she'd leave Nevada for St. George to set up shop in a hotel unless she was interested in the culture. Or maybe she just wanted a way to pay for her getaway.

She probably would like to have a real job and a legal one. She just doesn't know a way out of the rut she's made for herself. Sad.

She's young enough to reform and clean up her act. I hope she's able to.

Unless she doesn't care. I met a Mormon girl once on the East Coast from Utah who was a nymphomaniac. She would sleep with any guy anywhere, since she was a teenager. I asked her how could she be at peace with her conscience, and she told me she killed her conscience a long time ago.

Maybe that's what it takes to be a career professional as a prostitute.

Amyjo Wrote:
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> It's curious why she'd leave Nevada for St. George
> to set up shop in a hotel unless she was
> interested in the culture. Or maybe she just
> wanted a way to pay for her getaway.
>
> She probably would like to have a real job and a
> legal one. She just doesn't know a way out of the
> rut she's made for herself. Sad.
>
> She's young enough to reform and clean up her act.
> I hope she's able to.
>
> Unless she doesn't care. I met a Mormon girl once
> on the East Coast from Utah who was a
> nymphomaniac. She would sleep with any guy
> anywhere, since she was a teenager. I asked her
> how could she be at peace with her conscience, and
> she told me she killed her conscience a long time
> ago.
>
> Maybe that's what it takes to be a career
> professional as a prostitute.

Maybe there's less competition in St. George than in Nevada.

and her Catholic family didn't believe her. She was the same way -- kept going to dive bars to get hit on by really rough guys who treated her like trash. She too came to think of herself as worthless and only good enough to be f#(*ed.

About 3 years after getting married I was giving blood at a blood drive in the cultural hall of the local LDS church. At that time they had you fill out a questionaire and then went over the questions with you verbally. The bishop was sitting in a chair about 5 feet away going over his questionaire when the person asked me "have you ever given money to someone to have sex with you". I answered Yes. His ears perked up and he was listening very closely when I told the person that I had to give my wife everything I earn. My wife didn't think it was all that funny but we're still married 28 years later.

You have a 'kept wife,' and she has a 'keeper.'

:)

My guess is that she is just someone who loves a challenge. And when everyone else says "how have you put up with that guy for 28 years," she says "I charge him keeper's rates."

Tee hee. :)

Church shouldn't be involved with blood donations!

Sheesh!

They take everything else.

Might as well suck the blood out of ya too. :/

Time to legalize the "world's oldest profession". It's not going away. She could probably do good business in St George. Competition is tough in Vegas. Probably had clients from S Utah visit her in Vegas anyway.

I also said the same thing at a Red Cross blood drive to the interviewer as Lurker did. The lady didn't take kindly to my answer.

I'm all against exploitation and trafficking, but what about the ones that are doing it free will and enjoy the job they do? It's like the war on drugs. Law enforcement uses it to get funding from the federal government and never get the "bad" ones but hassle the hell out of the "low hanging fruit". Notice they didn't arrest any "pimp". If two consenting adults want to engage in a transaction, why shouldn't they be able too?

A little long but here is a good read.
http://reason.com/archives/2016/09/09/the-truth-about-us-sex-trafficking

I guess me and Free Man have about the same idea's about this.
Fire away at me.



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I can't believe it, but I agree with him on this as well. I've known several sex workers, good friends with some for years. Sex work has a lot of different tales, why they choose the work they do, and it's not always about "losing one's conscience." Not everyone conflates virtue and sex nor does everyone think how many people you have sex with affects your self-worth. To believe that most or everyone has the same experience as oneself does when it comes to sex and/or sex work is foolish, ignorant, and naive. One pro told me "I don't carry my dignity in my p----." Some realized they could pay for their college or provide for their families working a few nights a week and spend the rest pursuing more socially acceptable hobbies.

Decriminalizing sex work would hopefully have the same results as decriminalizing drugs- Go after the human traffickers, go after the ones buying and selling children, offer counselling, health care and screenings, education, and leave the CONSENTING ADULTS alone. Make sure the women who are in "massage parlors" and other fronts for sex work are actually consenting, not forced into sexual slavery.

Prostitution is only legal in eight counties in Nevada.

The option exists for all counties, while only eight use it. Las Vegas isn't one of those. Of course, it being "Sin City," it still has its share of hookers, but they are 'off the books.'

Which loosely translated means women there can still get busted for the sex trade as can their pimps.

It's not exactly a victimless crime if the prostitute is under the control of a pimp who basically owns her and treats her as his property.

The woman in St George was free lancing, but if you want to get busted the best place in the world to do it *is in* St. George. The cops there are on top of the game. They aren't as corrupt or on the take as other police systems are - so it isn't as easy there to run afoul of the law.

I'm neither for or against prostitution, other than the element of sleaze it brings into neighborhoods when they become engulfed in sex trade, like drug trade and other illegal activities. It is still illegal. It's a public morality issue - families don't want it in their neighborhoods or communities, which I feel the same way as a parent.

If it were legal it might prevent more STD's because then women would seek medical help more freely without fear of being reported or arrested. It's a dangerous business nonetheless for women. Either they're at the mercy of their pimp, or often the john. Many are murdered whose stories will never see the light of day.

Interesting article, but the woman who works in a legal brothel with more than ample security, backed by state regulations about medical exams, etc....doesn't know a thing about "freelancers," those being trafficked by pimps, those in virtual slavery, etc.

Her experience is her experience...but pretending it's how all "sex workers" live is absurd, especially since it's illegal in most places.

and academics. I know the realities of the life.

What you should actually be worried about is the house down the street where sex trafficking is going on and you have no idea about it. Sex and human traffickers are well-versed at staying under the radar and having a low-key brothel in a decent neighborhood is the perfect cover. Hell, some wealthy families believe they have the right to an indentured servant (this is part of the human trafficking that goes on in the states) because their domestic has it better here than where they come from.

Simply, the driving force behind trafficking is the idea that powerful and wealthy people have the right to own or possess desperate people and said people don't have the right to complain or any rights at all. They are slaves and possessions, not people with personal autonomy to those that buy, sell, and keep human and sex trafficking alive. They are so beaten down, turned out, and destroyed emotionally and mentally, that they don't believe there is any real help for them and the laws are just barely catching up with the reality.

Yes, some my friends that have engaged in sex work have been under the thumbs of abusive pimps, on the occasion an abusive client, which is why sex work should be decriminalized and regulated, so they don't have to worry about pursuing charges against a violent john. There are people who believe that pros cannot be raped and that consent to one act is consent to any act, which is another problem. This is the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the dangers of illegalized sex work.

But another side comes from a sorry about a woman who was quitting waiting tables to go into sex work because a. The money and b. She wanted to be treated with respect which many high class escorts and pros do receive, especially when they have a regular or two that pay for the "girlfriend experience."

So there's a wide variety of what happens, but I agree we need to crack down on traffickers, pimps, and abusive, violent johns.

+100



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in it for the money and thrills there are a score of abused women lured into sex work to survive after running away as teens and living on the streets. The traffickers don't need metal chains -- they use abuse and humiliation and drugs.

And people lured from overseas with the promise of domestic jobs and housing like housekeeping, au pair, nannying....

For those lured in from overseas, they might even be threatened with being reported to immigration and ultimately deported. That's in addition to the other forms of abuse they endure as sex slaves.

I still like my idea of a Buffer Zone for St. George...think of the tourist boom from along I-15!

VERY IMPORTANT:

http://prostitutionresearch.com/category/quickfacts/

Please Read the research articles studying Prostitution.

Men who buy sex are completely different from men who do NOT.

As the old joke goes, you don't pay a prostitute to have sex with you; you're paying her to go home and not call you.

Why in the year 2017 is prostitution still illegal? I would rather my tax dollars go to getting the murders and rapists off the street then throw these women in jail.

Many women provide these services because they *Gasp* love sex. It's their choice. It is there body. Some of you are still suck in the tbm mindset regarding sex.

I highly recommend you read the research papers on prostitution.

Fact: Prostitution is extremely damaging.
Fact: men who buy sex: intimate violence: rapists

You need to know the facts.

It's those who buy sex who should be jailed.

Does it occur to anyone that a female might like to purchase the services of a male prostitute, a satisfying roll in hay, without the need to:


bear and raise his children
shop, cook for and clean up after him and his children
pander to his delicate male ego
put up with all that crap he keeps in the garage
refusing to take the passenger seat until his eyesight goes

and so on.

I'm sure any viral male vs. female "joke" email can make valid claims for either side of the aisle, and that's not my point. The point is for those (male or female) who dwell in the delusion that wives are "paid whores." If that's how you view your marriage, the news for you is that you don't have one.

PLEASE, will everyone please read the research on prostitution instead of believing the horrible myths being stated in this thread?

http://www.prostitutionresearch.com/pdfs/Myths%20&%20Facts%20Legal%20&%20Illegal%20Prostitution%203-09.pdf

Maybe it should be given away.

Buffer Zone, anyone?

Amyjo Wrote:
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> A police investigator, acting as a potential
> client, reached out to Wilson via the contact info
> on the ad and was allegedly able to negotiate sex
> acts for money over the phone. The caller also
> arranged for Wilson to go to his hotel. Police
> said they watched Wilson leave her hotel to go to
> the agreed meeting place.
>

So...They didn't actually have sex and she's still being prosecuted?

She should hire Jay Sekulow or Mark Kasowitz to defend her.

"PLEASE, will everyone please read the research on prostitution instead of believing the horrible myths being stated in this?"

Of course bad things happen with prostitution. That is not the question. The question is do we have the right to ban stupidity. Seems that many here assume that women are too stupid to make their own decisions and therefore need big daddy government to protect their every move.

I just have more respect for women than most here.

And given there are many activities in which bad things happen, the question is why do we cherry-pick certain ones. Why do we allow driving cars and smoking cigarettes and marriage, which has destroyed countless lives (divorce courts, custody battles, financial ruin, suicides), and beat up on prostitution? The only thing I can come up with is prostitution threatens women's power, given that men will spend ungodly amounts of money for sex, whether with a hooker or through marriage. The less you have to compete for that money, the more power you have.

Seems feminists would be all about legalizing prostitution, making it a "woman's right to choose". But again, they don't want a free market, as women would have to work harder for what they get. No more withholding sex to get what they want.

Reminds me a few years ago in the Phillipines. Wives finally got tired of their men fighting a war (probably needed the garbage taken out), and threatened no sex if they didn't stop and come home. Military policy determined by the vagina.

Someone mentioned marriage isn't about sex for money. I'm sure the dudes dreamed about being a janitor in order to attract the hot women. I invite the husbands to come home, announce they hate their job, are dying of stress and depression, and want to take a year off to figure out a new path, and take a job for minimum wage. Report back on your experience. Did not go well for me, or many men I know.

Claiming women don't care about money is like saying men don't care about looks or sex. We are animals, and have drives to sustain the species - we need to have the desire to breed, and it needs to be a woman with hips and boobs to bear and sustain the young. Women then need the resources (money, food, shelter), to care for the young. So generally speaking, men are going to check out women's bodies, and women are going to look for men with money and power.

Somehow we make the desire for money to be a good thing (the rich are praised and images splashed all over for women to fantasize about), while the desire for sex is shamed (dirty, filthy, porn, etc) and has to be controlled by government. Despite that the lust for money leads to countless problems (leading cause of divorce and broken families).

If men were smart, we'd use government to our advantage. We would ban women from earning money, which would give men more power and monopoly control. If wife wanted money, she would have to put out, just like men begging for sex have to comply with a series of demands. If hubby has a headache, she gets no money! Cops would be doing sting operations on women that were working underground. SWAT teams busting down doors, etc, all to protect women from the dangers of money!

Ain't going to happen in our gynocentric, matriarchal society.

You should have just stopped with your first post. People *should* read the other side of what happens in sex work and the results of sex trafficking, but you don't seem to be concerned about the dark and very destructive side of it. You're spending way too much time reading and internalizing those manosphere blogs.

"Seems that many here assume that women are too stupid to make their own decisions and therefore need big daddy government to protect their every move.

I just have more respect for women than most here."

And then:

"If men were smart, we'd use government to our advantage. We would ban women from earning money, which would give men more power and monopoly control. If wife wanted money, she would have to put out, just like men begging for sex have to comply with a series of demands. If hubby has a headache, she gets no money! Cops would be doing sting operations on women that were working underground. SWAT teams busting down doors, etc, all to protect women from the dangers of money!

Ain't going to happen in our gynocentric, matriarchal society."

So, which is it. Are women smart enough to make their own decisions or would it be better for the men to use government to their own advantage and ban women from money and control??

Remind me again about how much respect you have for women.

Further thoughts. When someone does harm against you, there are already laws against rape and assault and murder. No need to further ban activities that might increase those risks. But I still tell my daughters to avoid certain situations, but I can't prevent stupidity, and neither can more laws. And in fact, often laws have unintended consequences that make it worse - as mentioned, making it less likely for women to report crimes if their activity is a crime.

Been thinking, maybe we should ban certain dangerous jobs that men have. I was a logger with a guy who was killed after I left on my mission when a tree landed on him.

But instead, we usually just pay guys more for high risk jobs, and we then consider them admirable. In the interest of equality, need more women getting injured or killed.

Like we send many young men off to fight stupid wars and come back either dead or maimed or mentally deranged. Then we call them heroes.

You would think if we had to ban stupid ways to get injured, we would just eliminate wars not fought against an attack. But we like guys to go fight for more resources (oil), etc

Or like my son's wife who wanted him to keep deploying to Afghanistan because he made good money. Little consideration for the risk of him getting killed.

So yeah, we don't really care that much if prostitution is dangerous or bad for women - if so we'd apply the same concern to other things. It is all about power and money.

Your comparing prostitution to hazardous fields of employment in other occupations does not really address the key difference between them.

Prostitution is a Public Morality offense. Whether you agree or not it is 'moral,' it is already established and settled law that it is illegal in America.

Cutting down trees or going to war don't come with the same job description.

"Public order crimes are actions that do not conform to society's general ideas of normal social behavior and moral values. Moral values are the commonly accepted standards of what is considered right and wrong. Public order crimes are widely viewed as harmful to the public good or harmful and disruptive to a community's daily life."

Read more: Public Order Crimes - Prostitution, Abnormal Sexual Behavior, Pornography, Alcohol And Crime, Driving Under The Influence (dui) - Drug, United, Cocaine, and Heroin - JRank Articles http://law.jrank.org/pages/11962/Public-Order-Crimes.html#ixzz4nh1Lpv6L



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