I see religion as being a human thing. I don't think that God needs to be worshipped any more than a parent needs to be "worshipped" by his or her children. Appreciated, maybe. But worshipped, no.
spiritist Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > God certainly didn't declare that everyone should > worship him! > > If God wanted us to worship Him, He would make > that point clear!
Really?
John 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers."
Psalm 29:1-2 "Ascribe to the LORD, O sons of the mighty, Ascribe to the LORD glory and strength. Ascribe to the LORD the glory due to His name; Worship the LORD in holy array."
2 Kings 17:35-36 "...with whom the LORD made a covenant and commanded them, saying, "You shall not fear other gods, nor bow down yourselves to them nor serve them nor sacrifice to them. "But the LORD, who brought you up from the land of Egypt with great power and with an outstretched arm, Him you shall fear, and to Him you shall bow yourselves down, and to Him you shall sacrifice."
spiritist Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Just for the record neither you nor I believe > 'God' wrote the bible or 'inspired' humans to > write it! > > Give me a 'quote' by 'God' next time!
Since no such thing exists, I can't.
I can provide numerous quotes from people who claim to know what some 'god' thing says or means. None of them (present company included) should be "believed."
If you had a 'personal relationship' with the divine you could give me one of your 'spiritual experiences' explaining that you were suppose to worship God in a specific way.
spiritist Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If you had a 'personal relationship' with the > divine you could give me one of your 'spiritual > experiences' explaining that you were suppose to > worship God in a specific way. > > But of course you don't, so you can't!
Since no person anywhere can provide any evidence of any kind there IS some 'divine' thing ('god' or other) to have any kind of 'personal relationship' with, or that they have some 'personal relationship' with any such thing, of course I can't. Neither can you.
You let me know when you've got evidence of your 'divine' thing. Until then, there's no reason for me or anyone else to believe there is such a thing.
And before you say it ('cause you will), your 'personal experiences' are not evidence. Yes, I know you'll claim they are...but they aren't.
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"The moment you conclude the answer is, God, you become worthless to me in the lab, because you have abandoned the sacred quest for the real cause." NdGT
Turns out the real cause was the God Particle all along, minus the particle, since it is more of a field. You are swimming in it. It in you, Through you You are mostly the field God Particle Which seems to me to be the condition created Between Dark Matter and Dark Energy here, where E=mc^2 and E/c^2=m Where light slows down and becomes neutrinos ghost particles, that flow through you Trillion at a time. in this dimension Where symmetry is broken Between positive and negative Night and day And becomes one Singularity Where we are all headed 14Million MPH Towards the Great Attractor. Inexorably Singularly
I have thought this many times as well. I dont think god plays a part in any religion if he does exist. He just lets men do whatever they want to get money for themselves.
Let's suppose there is a God--traditional definition God, not "God can be any thing" God. Mormon definition will do.,
His Royal Highness has created 110 Billion people and counting to populate just one of his planets on the Universe. He has made stars and solar systems by the gazillions. He is omnipotent, omniscient, and ageless. And, ladies and gentlemen, after all of these massive achievements, his main concerns at the moment are:
Tea--black or green Coffee White shirts Covered shoulders Same sex love Your car keys Not paying for janitors Tebow's touchdowns Getting your elderly grandmother to donate her house Keeping your hands north of the border Telling your zoo keeper bishop that you weren't able to keep your hands north of the border Making sure you are bored to death for three hours a week Confusing people about their own DNA Killing first borns and drowning a planet Turning staffs to snakes and throwing in a plague of frogs for good measure. Secret hand shakes while you are dressed like a clown And hiding dinosaur bones here and there like Easter eggs
Please check your God's resume. Look at it critically and impartially. Will you still hire him to be your God? Does he meet the criteria you set forth for your personal needs? Because remember, God works for the religious, not the other way around.
Think about it. As little kids, we could say, "My big brother's gonna beat the CR@P outta you, just you wait!" Or it could be Dad. We needed to feel that we had somebody big, strong and invincible in our corner. Especially when we don't feel powerful to take on the situation ourselves.
That's why we had to create a Mega-Superpower. The problem with that one is that he/she/it is notoriously unreliable. Can't be trusted to intervene in the right way or at the right time. So we invented "sure-fire" placation rituals: special prayers, candles, sacrifices - all supposed to tally up points to make God "owe" us a favor in return. But God doesn't keep score the way we do.
Notice, there is always scriptural wiggle room. You have to be "righteous" enough, asking for something that God would want anyway, (so why doesn't he tend to it without your prompting??) If he doesn't come through with the right response, it is almost certainly YOUR fault.
It's a win/win for God every time. But not for us.